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God's Divine Protection Of The Church On Earth During The Future Great Tribulation

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Literal, just as it's spoken:


This is a selective interpretation of hand picked verses that support a predetermined position. An argument has to have two sides and one that cannot argue against his own position as well as in favor of it lacks understanding of the larger picture and is subject to deception (which Jesus directly warned about before anything else).

But if the author of this video is correct, I would say that we are currently a very long way from the end times, and that the Church outside of some still to come Israeli developed Church, will not be a part of it or the future at all (I know some that advocate this position).

This is one of the reasons I consider Revelation to be the most divisive book of the Bible, it divides and splinters the Church and sets Christian against Christian in belief to the extent that the Church today has none of the power, or can exercise none of the power, that Jesus said it could (which is everything that Jesus did and more).
 

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This might be of interest:


Pretty much in agreement, however I disagree with his claim the "The Hour" is interpreted as 84 hours heard at 6:25 in the clip

Somewhat disappointed he didn't mention the plagues that the two witnesses will bring upon the world, it will be these plagues that will gather the world together to Israel to kill the two witnesses in Jerusalem

Thanks for sharing, pretty much spot on
 
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This is one of the reasons I consider Revelation to be the most divisive book of the Bible, it divides and splinters the Church and sets Christian against Christian in belief to the extent that the Church today has none of the power, or can exercise none of the power, that Jesus said it could (which is everything that Jesus did and more).
God's words aren't divisive but man in his private interpretations are divisive

Just one example, man falsely claims a literal 1,000 year kingdom is seen in Revelation 20:1-6 that Jesus will start at his return, taking a literal earthly throne of David in Jerusalem?

Who's that going to be taking a future literal throne in Jerusalem?

(The Man Of Sin) (The Beast) (The Antichrist) don't be deceived, this teaching of a literal 1,000 year Kingdom on this earth, where Jesus returns and takes a literal throne in Jerusalem is setting the world up to receive this evil human man that will rule the world from Jerusalem, Jesus won't be found any place upon this earth as many falsely teach

Jesus Christ warned his followers against this false teaching, Jesus won't be found anyplace on this earth as many falsely claim

"Believe It Not" "Go Not Forth"!

Matthew 24:23-27KJV
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
 

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This illustrates divisiveness as there are those that will take a very different stance on that thousand years, division among Christians instead of agreement.

An illustration of why I point out that Revelation is a divisive book, not one creating unity of belief. Remember Jesus talking about being in agreement, not being in disagreement, to exhibit his power on earth.

FWIW, I've even seen it debated that the John writing Revelation is not the same as the apostle John, one of the things that made it so long for the book of Revelation to be included as a book of the Bible by the mainstream of the Churches.

AS for me, I try to take lessons from it I can apply in my daily life without regard for their end time purposes since I'm unlikely to be here when it all comes to pass.
 

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We'll all find out how God will fulfill it; I'm very willing to wait until then instead of discussing it much.
 

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Pretty much in agreement, however I disagree with his claim the "The Hour" is interpreted as 84 hours heard at 6:25 in the clip

Somewhat disappointed he didn't mention the plagues that the two witnesses will bring upon the world, it will be these plagues that will gather the world together to Israel to kill the two witnesses in Jerusalem

Thanks for sharing, pretty much spot on
84 hours is the 3 1/2 days the 2 witnesses lay dead before going up to heaven
 

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Wasn't Jerusalem "Mystery Babylon" in the first century?
(Jerusalem) Is The Whore, Mystery Babylon The Great.

The Levitical High Priest Dressing represents "The Woman", that is dressed in purple, scarlet, gold, and precious stones as seen below

(Revelation) 17:4KJV

4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

Yes "The Woman", The Levitical High Priest, Dressed In Purple, Scarlet, Gold, And Precious Stones

(Exodus) 28:15-20KJV
15 And thou shalt make the breastplate of judgment with cunning work; after the work of the ephod thou shalt make it; of gold, of blue, and of purple, and of scarlet, and of fine twined linen, shalt thou make it.
16 Foursquare it shall be being doubled; a span shall be the length thereof, and a span shall be the breadth thereof.
17 And thou shalt set in it settings of stones, even four rows of stones: the first row shall be a sardius, a topaz, and a carbuncle: this shall be the first row.
18 And the second row shall be an emerald, a sapphire, and a diamond.
19 And the third row a ligure, an agate, and an amethyst.
20 And the fourth row a beryl, and an onyx, and a jasper: they shall be set in gold in their inclosings.

(Jerusalem) is the seven Mount city, where the woman sits, not Rome as many falsely claim.

(Revelation) 17:9KJV

9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

List of cities claimed to be built on seven hills - Wikipedia.
Jerusalem, Israel:
Jerusalem's seven hills are Mount Scopus, Mount Olivet and the Mount of Corruption (all three are peaks in a mountain ridge that lies east of the Old City), Mount Ophel, the original Mount Zion, the New Mount Zion and the hill on which the Antonia Fortress was built.

The Roman Empire didnt exist to be guilty of the Prophets blood seen below, Jerusalem did.

(Revelation) 18:24KJV

24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

(Matthew) 23:29-37KJV
29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

Jerusalem (The Woman) that (Great City) as seen below, Jerusalem where Jesus Christ was crucified

(Revelation) 17:18AKJV

18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

(Revelation) 11:8AKJV
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Jews/Hebrews cast dust upon their heads, weeping for the (Great City) Jerusalem

(Revelation) 18:19 AKJV

19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.
 
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There are different understandings for what Mystery Babylon is meaning. I see no reason that understanding it to mean all civilization should be excluded.
 

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There are different understandings for what Mystery Babylon is meaning. I see no reason that understanding it to mean all civilization should be excluded.
Here's a pretty good reason why: It's an end time prophesy! If you could read REV 17, 18, and 14 it might clear that up for you.
 

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Here's a pretty good reason why: It's an end time prophesy! If you could read REV 17, 18, and 14 it might clear that up for you.

Why be hostile in the reply? If I could read those? Like I don't read parts of the Bible? And specifically to the subject matter referred to?

Yes, I have read those, many times. I will tell you, I have noted what others say about the passages, in church and in any of many Christian materials that touch on those. I don't give those the same weight, though. People make mistakes. I can accept that. Many were mistaken with their expectations before, when prophecy was yet to be fulfilled, and when prophecy was being fulfilled, and this seen now that those prophecies are already fulfilled. Bible passages not noted by others that I see do give support to what I said, that I can give that weight to, Isaiah 24 does that. I do not dismiss what is really actually happening in this world, nor what God required of humanity from the very start, in which their is failure, noted in Revelation 11:18.
 

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Why be hostile in the reply? If I could read those? Like I don't read parts of the Bible? And specifically to the subject matter referred to?

Yes, I have read those, many times. I will tell you, I have noted what others say about the passages, in church and in any of many Christian materials that touch on those. I don't give those the same weight, though. People make mistakes. I can accept that. Many were mistaken with their expectations before, when prophecy was yet to be fulfilled, and when prophecy was being fulfilled, and this seen now that those prophecies are already fulfilled. Bible passages not noted by others that I see do give support to what I said, that I can give that weight to, Isaiah 24 does that. I do not dismiss what is really actually happening in this world, nor what God required of humanity from the very start, in which their is failure, noted in Revelation 11:18.
Yes, sorry!



Babylon is a Mystery
Babylon is a mystery – but it is not past understanding! I have concealed this thing in a mystery for many reasons, and now, in these last days, it is my delight to reveal the matter, according to the promise of my Word. (Prov25:2 Dan2:22)

It is Many Things
Mystery Babylon is a mystery because it is many things – a city, a nation, a kingdom, and a spirit known as the Whore of Babylon! As the Whore of Babylon, she is the unseen power that has presided over and influenced many kingdoms and kings down through the ages. (Eph6:12) The kingdoms that are most directly connected to God’s people and to Endtimes prophecy are Egypt, Assyria, Babylon (from which she derives her title), Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, and today’s global kingdom of dictatorships and democracies, which shall morph into the final kingdom of the Antichrist – the 8th kingdom which is of the 7 kingdoms that were before it. (Rev17:10-11)

Criteria
Although many theories are presented to identify who Babylon is in the last days, any candidate for the title must fulfill ALL the criteria listed in Revelation Chapter 18. Let’s examine those candidates and compare them against the criteria described in Revelations 17 and 18. Let’s begin with the ancient city of Babylon. According to Bible prophecy, the ancient city of Babylon shall never be rebuilt – regardless of what the modern prophets say, or what modern builders plan. My Word stands above all!

A Couple Candidates
Some have suggested that Mecca might be “that great city, Babylon”. A brief comparison of Revelation 18 against the limited attributes of Mecca can quickly eliminate this city being considered as “that great city, Babylon”. Next, while it is true that Revelation 17 and 18 mentions “purple, and silk, and scarlet”, among other characteristics that can be rightly attributed to the Vatican and her history, these alone are not enough to qualify her as “that great city, mystery Babylon” that shall be utterly burned with fire in one hour. (Rev17:16 Rev18:8,10) The Vatican does NOT fulfil ALL the criteria listed throughout Revelation 18.

Jerusalem
Although some present a convincing case to consider Jerusalem to be “that great city, Babylon”, and while it is true that Jerusalem has at certain times fulfilled some of the criteria listed in Revelation 18, she must be disqualified as a possible candidate for several reasons. Firstly, Jerusalem is far from being a city that trades by sea, and to the degree of the merchandise listed throughout Revelation 18. Secondly, Jerusalem is where the Antichrist shall reside during the great tribulation when he sits in the temple “as God” – the 3rd Jewish temple that shall be known as “the temple of God”. (2Thess2:4 Rev11:2) Jerusalem is also where my two witnesses shall be prophesying throughout the great tribulation. (Rev11:3-13)

Furthermore, as I have established in the study concerning the three herald angels of Revelation 14:6-11, the hour of Babylon’s judgement shall come during the early days of the three-and-a-half-year great tribulation. Moreover, during my thousand-year reign upon earth, Jerusalem shall be inhabited and referred to as the camp of the saints, the beloved city. (Rev20:4,9)

Therefore, in the light of the prophecy of Revelation 18:21, this fact further eliminates Jerusalem as being “that great city, Babylon”. Then the question remains, who shall qualify as “that great city, Babylon”, and how, when, where and why shall come her demise?

Summary
Ancient Babylon was a city, a nation, and a spirit identified as the Whore of Babylon. That spirit has moved down through the ages and has presided over and influenced many kingdoms and kings. And although many righteous men continue to resist the influence of her ungodly spirit, the victory of that resistance shall not abide forever.
 
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Do you see Revelation 11:18? Do you see the commission to humans in Genesis 1? Do you see Isaiah 24? The earth still belongs to God. There is failure of the needed stewardship to the earth. Surely God would have what is destroying the earth, God's creation, come to an end, it will easily collapse itself, God would not stop it. It should be made known to people there to come out, still, and not take part anymore in the things of the city.
 

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God truly does hate the destruction to this earth of God's creation and that God owns, and we have not done more than fail at the stewardship we were supposed to have, to be in God's image. Nothing is meant that I could say is not canonical, or even heretical. Some of what I can say would have many disagree. But so what? The majority is not the holder of all truth. Some things I could say are held extremely in the minority. What of eschatology? Nothing of eschatology determines if we are saved or not or even heretical or not. Eschatology is very much up to personal interpretations anyway. And my views for it, though not thoroughly detailed and developed, are distinct from others. I cannot hold you or any others to them, still.
 

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There are several example in the bible where God didn't remove people from their troubles but help them through them.

Did God remove Noah and his family from the flood or did He saved them through it?
Did God remove Daniel from the Lion's den or did He save him through it?
Did God remove the three Hebrews from the fiery furnace of did He save them through it?
Did God remove Job from his trials or did God help him through them?

1 Thess. 5:9 For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead\f1\emdash Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath.

The verse says we not appointed to wrath and it's exemption is attributed to salvation. Not a rapture. That's blatantly taking a verse out of context. The word wrath is... "The wrath that is what is averted by Christ through repentance." Any one truly in Christ will not doesn't receive the wrath of judgement". Those "whose names are not written in the book of life" aren't exempt from His wrath.

Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come upon the whole world to test those who live on the earth. I am coming soon. For it will come upon all those who live on the face of the whole earth.

Look at the word "keep" in your Strong's. Look at "hour" and look at "trial". And, the verse clearly states that those who live on the earth will be tested and kept from the hour of trial... but not removed!

Luke 21:34-36 "Be careful, or your hearts will be weighed down with dissipation, drunkenness and the anxieties of life, and that day will close on you unexpectedly like a trap. For it will come upon all those who live on the face of the whole earth. Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man."

The word escape means "to flee out"...To "flee" is an action the person does to escape. It does not mean to "be removed" by other means. We are told to "watch and pray"...that we are able to escape, and able to stand before the Son of Man. We only stand before the Son of Man at the end of the tribulation period. Those people within the coming ten nation Islamic empire and under the persecution and rule of the anti-Christ will need to escape the kingdom of the anti-Christ or risk death if they do not convert to Islam, and if they convert... they are not able to stand before the Son of Man.

In verse 35 we are told, "For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth".
Not just the wicked!

In my years of trying to understand the bible I have learned that the simplest most logical interpretation is usually the correct one.

"Any doctrine like pre-tribulation-ism that has several contradictions, and fabrications to counter those contradictions and complications, is always untrue. The rapture is a timely and strategic act of kindness whereby a loving God removes His own before He does battle. It's to avoid "friendly fire." It's not a sloppy transition of believers that results into something like a terror attack. They've made God look imprecise, indiscriminate, and sloppy. The gathering is simple and pristine. It doesn't disgrace God in any way. Pre-tribulation-ism takes scripture far out of context. It's the most misleading, deceitful, and widely held false prophecy of the church age. Why would anybody want to convert to Christianity when the church teaches innocent people will be killed and the world would be launched into great chaos, "just to take people to heaven?"

In the following passage we are told to suffer tribulation up to the time when Christ shall come to be glorified in His saints. This passage alone thoroughly debunks pre-tribulationism.

That no man should be moved by these afflictions; for yourselves know that we are appointed thereunto. For verily, when we were with you, we told you before that we should suffer tribulation; even as it came to pass, and ye know. So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure: [Which is] a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer: Seeing [it is] a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels. In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.
 

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Just Jesus

10 Steps to commit everything to Jesus,"
moving beyond simple belief into the total abandonment and singular focus.

These steps prioritize the "Red Letters" (the direct words of Christ) and the apostolic doctrine of total surrender.

1. The Requirement: Deny Yourself Completely

You cannot fill a cup that is already full. To have "Just Jesus," you must first have "No Self."

  • The Scripture: "Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me." (Matthew 16:24)
  • The Action: Make a conscious decision that your will, your desires, and your plans no longer exist. They are replaced entirely by His.

2. The Cost: Forsake All Earthly Attachments

As you noted earlier, the call is to leave "worldly families" and possessions to join the Family of God.

  • The Scripture: "So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple." (Luke 14:33)
  • The Action: Loosen your grip on everything—assets, relationships, status. If Jesus asks for it, let it go immediately. If He doesn't ask for it, hold it loosely as a steward, not an owner.

3. The Identification: Be Crucified with Him

It is not enough to follow Him; you must die with Him.

  • The Scripture: "I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me..." (Galatians 2:20)
  • The Action: Consider your old nature dead. When temptation comes, answer it as a dead man would—with silence and unresponsiveness.

4. The Focus: The Single Eye

"Just Jesus" means looking at nothing else. Distraction is the enemy of devotion.

  • The Scripture: "But one thing is needful: and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her." (Luke 10:42)
  • The Action: Like Mary at His feet, simplify your life. Eliminate complexities that pull your gaze away from Him. If it doesn't glorify Him, cut it out.

5. The Sustenance: Feed Only on Him

You must derive your spiritual life force solely from Him, not from church entertainment, social gatherings, or intellectual study alone.

  • The Scripture: "As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me." (John 6:57)
  • The Action: Spiritual communion. Depend on His presence and His Word for your daily survival, just as your body depends on food.

6. The Abiding: The Branch and the Vine

A branch does not "try" to produce fruit; it simply stays connected.

  • The Scripture: "Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me." (John 15:4)
  • The Action: Maintain a constant, unbroken internal dialogue with Him. Never step out of His presence to "visit" the world.

7. The Obedience: The Proof of Love

Emotion is not the metric; obedience is.

  • The Scripture: "He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me..." (John 14:21)
  • The Action: Immediate, unquestioning obedience to the "still small voice" and the written Word. When He speaks, you move.

8. The Separation: Come Out from Among Them

You cannot be "In love with Jesus" and "In love with the World" simultaneously.

  • The Scripture: "Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God." (James 4:4)
  • The Action: Accept that you will be misunderstood, rejected, and perhaps mocked by society and even "professing" religious people. Wear that rejection as a badge of honor.

9. The Witness: Confess Him Before Men

Your life must be a public evidence of His reality.

  • The Scripture: "Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven." (Matthew 10:32)
  • The Action: Speak His truth without fear of consequences. Let your life be the "city set on a hill" that cannot be hid.

10. The Endurance: Faithful Unto Death

The race is not won at the start, but at the finish line.

  • The Scripture: "He that endureth to the end shall be saved." (Matthew 10:22)
  • The Action: Commit to this intensity not just for a season, but until your last breath. Resolve that there is no "Plan B" and no turning back.


Reinforcing Scriptures

Here are a dozen powerful, stand-alone scriptures from the Authorized King James Version (KJV). These are selected specifically to reinforce the "Just Jesus" mindset—total surrender, mental discipline, and reliance on the Spirit.

You can recite these continuously to silence the noise of the world and center your spirit.

The Mind & Focus
1. Isaiah 26:3


"Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because he trusteth in thee." (Recite this when distractions or anxiety try to break your focus.)
2. Colossians 3:2-3

"Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God." (A reminder that the "old you" no longer has the right to react to earthly things.)
3. Hebrews 12:2

"Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God." (Use this to visualize the finish line when the cross feels heavy.)
4. 2 Corinthians 10:5

"Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ." (The ultimate weapon for mental warfare—stop every rogue thought immediately.)

The Surrender & Identity

5. John 3:30

"He must increase, but I must decrease." (The shortest, most powerful prayer for humility. Use it to shrink your ego.)
6. Philippians 1:21

"For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain." (The definition of a life that has left everything behind.)
7. 1 Corinthians 6:19-20

"What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's." (You gave up the title deed to your life. You are property of the King.)
8. Luke 9:62

"And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God." (A stern warning to never reminisce about the worldly life you left behind.)

The Spirit & Power

9. Zechariah 4:6

"Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts." (A reminder that human effort is useless; only the Spirit achieves the supernatural.)
10. John 10:27

"My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me." (Confirming your connection to the "still small voice" and your expectation to be led.)
11. Matthew 6:33

"But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you." (The guarantee that if you take care of His business, He will take care of your survival.)
12. Revelation 12:11

"And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death." (The final victory formula: The Blood + Your Confession + No Fear of Death.)
 
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What would rapture from this world be for? It would not be for removing us from troubles here. There were and will be troubles in the world that believers have to go through, and there is not always deliverance from the jaws of the lions. There can be the cost to come with testimony to the gospel of salvation through Christ, as was found to be the case for Christ's apostles, and many early Christian believers. There were and will be more of such cases that are trials. There is only judgment from God that comes to those unrepentant of this world, that God would remove those really redeemed that are in Christ who bore everything of God's just judgment for them. Not even the coming collapse of ungodly civilization, the fall of Mystery Babylon, is what God removes believers for, they are to come out themselves, as there is call to do so, and live apart in the simple ways that we are meant to do that is without destruction to this earth, which God hates, as scriptures show. And with salvation being through just Jesus, our faith with repentance to change and coming to God is really needed.
 

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I. The Prophetic Foundation: Daniel's 70 Weeks

Before the end times begin, the "clock" must be understood.
  • The Decree: The timeline begins with the command to rebuild Jerusalem. (Daniel 9:25)
  • The First 69 Weeks (483 Years): From the decree until the arrival of "Messiah the Prince." This was fulfilled when Jesus rode into Jerusalem on Palm Sunday.
  • The "Gap" (The Church Age / The Age of Gentiles):
    • After the 69th week, the Messiah is "cut off" (Crucifixion). (Daniel 9:26)
    • The prophetic clock for Israel pauses. This is the Time of the Gentiles, where the Gospel spreads to the nations. (Luke 21:24)
    • The Duration: This corresponds to "Days 5 and 6" of human history (2,000 years), where man works and the Church is built.

II. The 70th Week Begins (The Tribulation)

The clock restarts for the final 7 years.
  • The Trigger: The Antichrist confirms a covenant (peace treaty) with many for one "week" (7 years). (Daniel 9:27)
  • The First 3.5 Years: The Antichrist consolidates power; there is a false peace.
  • The Midpoint (The Abomination of Desolation): The Antichrist breaks the treaty, enters the Temple, and declares himself God. (Matthew 24:15, 2 Thessalonians 2:4)
  • The Great Tribulation (The Second 3.5 Years):
    • Satan's wrath against the Saints/Church.
    • The rise of the Two Witnesses, who prophesy and plague the earth for 1,260 days. (Revelation 11:3)
    • The 144,000 Jewish servants are sealed for protection. (Revelation 7:3-4)

III. The Pivot: The "Post-Trib / Pre-Bowl" Transition

This is the specific turning point in your framework where the Age of Man ends.
  • The Death of the Witnesses: The Beast kills the Two Witnesses. Their bodies lie in the street for 3.5 days. (Revelation 11:7-9)
  • The Resurrection & The Rapture (Synchronized):
    • The Spirit of life enters the Witnesses; they stand up. A voice says, "Come up here." (Revelation 11:11-12)
    • Simultaneously: The "Last Trumpet" sounds. The dead in Christ rise, and the living believers are caught up. (1 Corinthians 15:52, 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17)
    • The Cosmic Sign: The sun is darkened and the moon gives no light (Post-Tribulation sign). (Matthew 24:29)
  • The End of the Age of Gentiles: With the Church (the bulk of the Gentile believers) removed, the "Times of the Gentiles" are officially fulfilled. (Luke 21:24)

IV. The Dual Reality (The Transition Period)

Heaven and Earth now experience two vastly different realities.

In Heaven: The Marriage Supper

  • The Event: The Bride (The Church) is united with the Lamb.
  • The Significance: It is a celebration of victory and the preparation for the Millennial rule. (Revelation 19:7-9)
  • The Reward: The "Bema Seat" judgment occurs, where saints receive their robes and crowns. (2 Corinthians 5:10)

On Earth: The Bowls of Wrath

  • The Purpose: God’s direct punishment on the unbelieving world (those with the Mark). The Church is gone, so they are not subject to this wrath. (Revelation 16:1)
  • The Judgments:
    • Sores on those with the Mark.
    • Oceans and rivers turn to blood.
    • The sun scorches men with fire. (Revelation 16:2-9)
  • The Survivors: The 144,000 (sealed by God) are the only ones supernaturally protected through these ecological disasters to serve as the "Rejuvenators."

V. The Climax: Armageddon, The Lord's Day

The Marriage Supper concludes, and the King descends.
  • The Return: Heaven opens. Jesus descends, followed by the "armies of heaven" (the previously Raptured/Glorified Saints). (Revelation 19:11-14)
  • The Battle: It is not a contest. The Beast and the False Prophet are captured and thrown into the Lake of Fire. The armies of the earth are slain. (Revelation 19:19-21)
  • The Clean Sweep: The wicked are removed. The earth is cleared of rebellion.

VI. The Seventh Day: The Millennial Reign

The 6,000 years of Man's work are over. The 1,000-year Sabbath begins.
  • The Structure:
    • The King: Jesus Christ rules from Jerusalem with a "rod of iron." (Psalm 2:9, Revelation 20:4)
    • The Rulers (Glorified Bodies): The Church/Saints reign as "Kings and Priests," overseeing the administration of the earth. (Revelation 5:10, Revelation 20:6)
    • The Citizens (Physical Bodies): The 144,000 survivors act as the "New Adams and Eves." They marry, bear children, and repopulate the earth. They act as the "Rejuvenators," restoring the ecosystem under the guidance of the King. (Isaiah 65:20-23)
  • The Sabbath Rest: The curse on the earth is partially lifted. The wolf lies down with the lamb. The earth rests from war and pollution. (Isaiah 11:6-9, Hebrews 4:9)
 
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