God's Divine Protection Of The Church On Earth During The Future Great Tribulation

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The Two Witnesses Will Dominate The Entire Tribulation, Something Many Disregard As Non-Existent

Try Reading Exodus And The Plagues Upon Pharaoh And Egypt, It's Going To Be A Complete Replay

God's Divine Protection, "Open Your Ears"

(Revelation) 13:9-10KJV
9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

God's Divine Protection During The Final Hour Of Earth's Temptation, Just Like The Passover In Egypt, "Open Your Ears"

Isaiah 26:20-21KJV
20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
21 For, behold, the Lord cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.

The Great Trib Will Be Upon The Antichrist And Wicked, The Church Is Protected, Dont Be Deceived

There's Going To Be An End Times Persecution, The Beast And His Kingdom Are The Target Of God's Empowered (Two Witnesses)

The Great Tribulation Will Come Upon The Wicked World, While The (Sealed Church) Is Protected

The (Sealed Church) will be present on earth and protected, when wicked men are tormented 5 months, desiring to die as death flees

All saved believers are (Sealed) by God, Eph 1:13, 4:30, Rev 22:3-4

Ephesians 1:13KJV
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Ephesians 4:30KJV
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

Revelation 22:3-4KJV
3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.

It Was Commanded, Only Those Without God's Seal Will Be Tormented, The Sealed Church Is Protected

Revelation 9:3-6KJV
3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

Plagues upon The Beast and his Kingdom, a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt

Revelation 11:3-6
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

Revelation 16:1-11KJV
1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.
4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.
5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.
6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.
8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.
 
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We're on the same spiritual wavelength, @Truth7t7.
 

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Try Reading Exodus And The Plagues Upon Pharaoh And Egypt, It's Going To Be A Complete Replay

One question Brother. What about the Exodus out of Egypt? When and where do we go for that?
 

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Simple, the book of Exodus, Smiles!

Geez, don't dodge me. When do we leave Egypt and go? It is a replay of exodus like you say, but there's a little more to it. Can you answer that?
 

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Geez, don't dodge me. When do we leave Egypt and go? It is a replay of exodus like you say, but there's a little more to it. Can you answer that?
My claims surrounded the plagues of Egypt being the same as the future plagues of the (Two Witnesses) seen below, a complete remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt

Revelation 11:6KJV
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

Revelation 16:1-11KJV
1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.
4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.
5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.
6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.
8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.
 

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My claims surrounded the plagues of Egypt being the same as the future plagues of the (Two Witnesses) seen below, a complete remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt

I understand that, but I just wanted to ask you what you think of the exodus itself because that was part of all the plagues. So consider that and tell ne what you think and how that might play out?
 

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When we look at end-time scenarios we are in disagreement on the details.

Are there certain items we can come to agreement on:

1. The book of Revelation is not chronological.


2. The tribulation is the 7 trumpet judgments.


3. The 3 angels must fly early in the tribulation.


4. Mystery Babylon must happen early in the tribulation.


5. Ez 38/39 ts the battle of Armageddon.


6. There's 2 battles against Gog: Armageddon and the end battle; except Rev 20:

7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

It wasn't much of a battle!

7. The bowls of wrath are separate and happen after the tribulation.

8. After the battle of Armageddon there is no one left to rejuvenate the earth except the 144,000.

9. The outpouring of evil, during this time, will sweep us all away, lest we focus on the Lord.

10. The outpouring of the Spirit will be of magnitude never seen before!

11. The Rapture and the 2 witnesses go to heaven at the same time (the 7th trumpet).

12. The bowls of wrath and the Marriage Supper happen at the same time.
Rev 19:
7Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. 8And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

13. When Heaven is full, the end will come.
 
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I understand that, but I just wanted to ask you what you think of the exodus itself because that was part of all the plagues. So consider that and tell ne what you think and how that might play out?
It my understanding that the (Two Witnesses) will be present before (The Beast) and his kingdom in Jerusalem, they will bring the plagues seen in the Revelation

It's my belief that the tormented world will be drawn to Jerusalem to kill the (Two Witnesses) they will die and lay in a Jerusalem street for 3.5 days, when they are raised to heaven the final time of earth's existence unfolds quickly in the second coming end of this world by the Lord's fire and final judgement
 

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The two witnesses are also referred to at the two olive trees and the two lampstands (or candlesticks).

Consider the significance of Two witnesses in Mosaic law and the various symbolic uses of olive trees and lampstands in the Old Testament.

The two witnesses might not actually be individual men but a represented of a unified gentile church and messianic Jewish church proclaiming truth to the world during the reign of the world ruling Antichrist dominion over it.

Revelation is so symbolic that sometimes it might be easier to look at the use of symbolism throughout the Bible and Jewish religious thought as it was practiced at the time to gain insights into its meanings. It was, after all, a vision given to a Jew who would have understood it as a Jew at that time would have understood it which would not be the same way gentile Christians (or probably even most modern Jews) would understand it today.

That doesn't rule out that it could be two actual men, or the two leaders of these united Churches along with their congregants, it just means that it doesn't have to be.
 

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8. After the battle of Armageddon there is no one left to rejuvenate the earth except the 144,000.
Is that meant to be literal or symbolic number, and why is it 144,000 in either case?

When Heaven is full, the end will come.
How do you come to that conclusion, what scripture(s) lead to this belief?
 

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It my understanding that the (Two Witnesses) will be present before (The Beast) and his kingdom in Jerusalem, they will bring the plagues seen in the Revelation

It's my belief that the tormented world will be drawn to Jerusalem to kill the (Two Witnesses) they will die and lay in a Jerusalem street for 3.5 days, when they are raised to heaven the final time of earth's existence unfolds quickly in the second coming end of this world by the Lord's fire and final judgement

Maybe you didnt understand my question? Plagues, got it and I agree. It's not hard to see the parallels between exodus & Egypt and revelation and the plagues is going to be replayed. We're on the same page there.

The plagues upon egypt were the reason for Pharpah to let them go. That said, what about the coming plagues...is there an exodus in there somewhere for us? It was part of it...

It's not a trick question. Pretty simple really.
 

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The plagues upon egypt were the reason for Pharpah to let them go. That said, what about the coming plagues...is there an exodus in there somewhere for us? It was part of it...

It's not a trick question. Pretty simple really.
No there isn't a pre-trib rapture as your alluding to above

A pre-trib rapture isn't found in scripture, it's the invention of John N. Darby 1830's from the Plymouth Brethren in England, this false teaching was promoted by C.I. Scofield's 1909 reference bible that maintained Darby's false teachings in the margins, selling millions of copies around the world

Adulterer C.I. Scofield was the greatest world influence in promoting the false teaching of a pre-trib rapture, Lewis S. Chafer founder of Dispensationalism's world headquarters at (Dallas Theological Seminary) was a member of C.I. Scofield's Dallas church, he was a direct prodigy of Scofield

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No there isn't a pre-trib rapture as your alluding to above

Ahh! So you surmised my next question so didnt want to answer that, lol. Ok I see. He doesnt want to talk about that. (I suspected as much)
 

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Ahh! So you surmised my next question so didnt want to answer that, lol. Ok I see. He doesnt want to talk about that. (I suspected as much)
More like cutting you off from trying to promote the false teachings of John N. Darby's pre-trib rapture that doesn't exist in scripture

I followed the false teaching for 20 years without question, I attended the Calvary Chapels in Calif that promoted Darby's false teachings of a pre-trib rapture

The historical teaching of a pre-trib rapture has the church being taken up 3.5 years before the antichrist is revealed, the scripture below broke the chains of Darby's false teachings of a pre-trib rapture

Conclusion: The church will be on earth to witness the antichrist revealed, the church will be present on this earth to be eyewitnesses of the Lord's second coming in the heavens


2 Thessalonians 2:3KJV
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
 
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More like cutting you off from trying to promote the false teachings of John N. Darby's pre-trib rapture that doesn't exist in scripture

Are you going on crusade against me? Lol.
 

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Is that meant to be literal or symbolic number, and why is it 144,000 in either case?


How do you come to that conclusion, what scripture(s) lead to this belief?
From Revelation 7:

144,000 Sealed

4And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

5Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. 6Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand. 7Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand. 8Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.
 

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From Revelation 7:

144,000 Sealed

4And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

5Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. 6Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand. 7Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand. 8Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.
But is this to be taken literally of symbolically. This is a very important discrimination, and it does mention only the sealing of the tribes of Israel, with the exception of Dan.
 

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But is this to be taken literally of symbolically. This is a very important discrimination, and it does mention only the sealing of the tribes of Israel, with the exception of Dan.
Literal, just as it's spoken:

 
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It my understanding that the (Two Witnesses) will be present before (The Beast) and his kingdom in Jerusalem, they will bring the plagues seen in the Revelation

It's my belief that the tormented world will be drawn to Jerusalem to kill the (Two Witnesses) they will die and lay in a Jerusalem street for 3.5 days, when they are raised to heaven the final time of earth's existence unfolds quickly in the second coming end of this world by the Lord's fire and final judgement
This might be of interest:

 
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