Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit ...

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"The memra is individual and yet the same as God (John 1:1-“and the Word was with God, and the Word was God”).
The memra was the instrument of creation (John 1:3-“All things were made by Him” and John 1:10-“the world was made by him”).
The memra was the instrument of salvation (John 1:12-“But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name”).
The memra was the visible presence of God or Theophany (John 1:14-“And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us”).
The memra was the covenant maker (John 1:17-“For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ”).
The memra was the revealer of God (John 1:18-“No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him”)."

http://www.bibleword.org/wp/the-memra-the-word/2132

 

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Yeshua is the image of God just like my flesh is the image of me. My spirit indwells just like Yeshua's Holy Spirit indwelt within Him. I am not God where I can be in all places at once nor manifest myself in various ways, places, and do it all at the same time if He so chooses via image, flesh, or Holy Spirit. We are made in His image so that we have an idea of His image. This is the image He chose rather than say a cow, horse, dog, etc because He wanted it so. He dies in the flesh for us, redeeming us for the purpose of restoring us again to His perfect image, in mind, body, and spirit. There is only One God.

 

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The reason we are baptized in the name of Yeshua is because we are baptized “into” Yeshua's Baptism Symbolism of His death, burial and resurrection. Even if the trinity doctrine was true, only Yeshua died, was buried and rose again. When we are baptized in the name of Yeshua we become believers in His Jewish Messiahship. Paul argued this point in 1 Corinthians 1:13 when he said, “Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?”

Christians are baptised in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

 

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What?? is it sacrilegious to question "trinity doctrine"??

Sacrilege? I am not sure. It is heresy to propose that the Lord Jesus Christ is not the eternal Son of the Father and that together with the Father the Son sends the Holy Spirit who is Lord and Giver of Life; in brief that there is one God in Trinity and Trinity in Unity. The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God and yet there are not three gods but one God. The Father is immortal, eternal, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent the Son is is immortal, eternal, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent and the Holy Spirit is immortal, eternal, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent yet there is only one who is immortal, eternal, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent.

As the Athanasian Creed summarises the matter Christians believe in:

One God in Trinity and Trinity in
Unity, neither confounding the Persons nor dividing the substance. For
there is one Person of the Father, another of the Son, another of the Holy
Spirit. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit,
is One, the Glory equal, the Majesty coeternal.

Such as the Father is, such is the Son, and such is the Holy Spirit; the
Father uncreated, the Son uncreated, and the Holy Spirit uncreated; the
father infinite, the Son infinite, and the Holy Spirit infinite; the Father
eternal, the Son eternal, and the Holy Spirit eternal. And yet not three
eternals but one eternal, as also not three infinites, nor three uncreated,
but one uncreated, and one infinite. So, likewise, the Father is almighty,
the Son almighty, and the Holy Spirit almighty; and yet not three
almighties but one almighty.

So the Father is God, the Son God, and the Holy Spirit God; and yet not
three Gods but one God. So the Father is Lord, the Son Lord, and the Holy
Spirit Lord; and yet not three Lords but one Lord. For like as we are
compelled by Christian truth to acknowledge every Person by Himself to be
both God and Lord; so are we forbidden by the catholic religion to say,
there be three Gods or three Lords.

The Father is made of none, neither created nor begotten. The Son is of the
Father alone, not made nor created but begotten. The Holy Spirit is of the
Father and the Son, not made nor created nor begotten but proceeding. So
there is one Father not three Fathers, one Son not three Sons, and Holy
Spirit not three Holy Spirits. And in this Trinity there is nothing before
or after, nothing greater or less, but the whole three Persons are
coeternal together and coequal.

So that in all things, as is aforesaid, the trinity in Unity and the Unity
in Trinity is to be worshipped. He therefore who wills to be in a state of
salvation, let him think thus of the Trinity.
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John 17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

Ephesians 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Hebrews 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although theworks were finished from the foundation of the world.

Hebrews 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of theworld: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

1 Peter 1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

It will be in every physical and political sense, a real kingdom of earth that Yeshua will rule. It will have a king, a government, a capital, and an international system of laws. God has already delegated `all power in heaven and in earth' to His own Son, our Jewish Messiah Yeshua.

Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

So when I read OT, and I read a statement like this I think of Yeshua.

1 Chronicles 29:11 Thine, O Lord is the greatness, and the power, and the glory, and the victory, and the majesty: for all that is in the heaven and in the earth is thine; thine is the kingdom, O Lord, and thou art exalted as head above all.

 

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Christians are baptised in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

Tradition

 

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Tradition

It's in the holy scriptures which I will not say are not holy tradition.

Matthew 28:19-20 [19] Therefore, go forth and teach all nations, baptising them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, [20] teaching them to observe all that I have ever commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, even to the consummation of the age."

 

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It's in the holy scriptures which I will not say are not holy tradition.

Matthew 28:19-20 [19] Therefore, go forth and teach all nations, baptising them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, [20] teaching them to observe all that I have ever commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, even to the consummation of the age."

Right back to the verse that the Pope said it was inserted [Father, Son and Holy spirit].

 

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Right back to the verse that the Pope said it was inserted [Father, Son and Holy spirit].

Whoever wrote the words they are inspired by the Holy Spirit and are profitable for godly people.

 

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Whoever wrote the words they are inspired by the Holy Spirit and are profitable for godly people.

That is your opinion but not scriptural.

 

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That is your opinion but not scriptural.

It is scripture.

2 Timothy 3:16-17 [16] All Scripture, having been divinely inspired, is useful for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for instruction in justice, [17] so that the man of God may be perfect, having been trained for every good work.

 

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It is scripture.

2 Timothy 3:16-17 [16] All Scripture, having been divinely inspired, is useful for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for instruction in justice, [17] so that the man of God may be perfect, having been trained for every good work.

The Pope stated clearly that the "Father, Son, and Holy Spirit" were an insert at a later date, not inspired scripture.

 

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Pope Ratzinger admits that Catholic Church inserted Trinitarian formula into Matthew 28:19.

Catholic Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger makes this confession as to the origin of the chief Trinity text of Matthew 28:19.

“The basic form of our (Matthew 28:19 Trinitarian) profession of faith took shape during the course of the second and third centuries in connection with the ceremony of baptism. So far as its place of origin is concerned, the text (Matthew 28:19) came from the city of Rome.” — Joseph Ratzinger (pope Benedict XVI) Introduction to Christianity: 1968 edition, pp. 82, 83.

 

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Pope Ratzinger admits that Catholic Church inserted Trinitarian formula into Matthew 28:19.

Catholic Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger makes this confession as to the origin of the chief Trinity text of Matthew 28:19.

“The basic form of our (Matthew 28:19 Trinitarian) profession of faith took shape during the course of the second and third centuries in connection with the ceremony of baptism. So far as its place of origin is concerned, the text (Matthew 28:19) came from the city of Rome.” — Joseph Ratzinger (pope Benedict XVI) Introduction to Christianity: 1968 edition, pp. 82, 83.

Benedict XVI said no such thing. The passage in the gospel according to saint Matthew is fully inspired holy scripture. It does not matter who wrote the words.

 

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Benedict XVI said no such thing. The passage in the gospel according to saint Matthew is fully inspired holy scripture. It does not matter who wrote the words.

It does matter who wrote the words... either they were there originally or they were inserted...

 

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It does matter who wrote the words... either they were there originally or they were inserted...

Either way they are inspired scripture, are they not?

 

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Either way they are inspired scripture, are they not?

Not... inspired if they were inserted.

 

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Not... inspired if they were inserted.

You reject the end of the gospel according to saint Matthew?

 

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You reject the end of the gospel according to saint Matthew?

I reject man's tinkering with the inspired word for their own doctrinal claims.

 

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I reject man's tinkering with the inspired word for their own doctrinal claims.

You need to take your posts and ideas to the World Religion & Speculative Theology forum. They have no place in the theology forum.

 

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You need to take your posts and ideas to the World Religion & Speculative Theology forum. They have no place in the theology forum.

You need to take your RCC to the Speculative theology because it has no rights to anything but world religion. Insult for insult.