Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit ...

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The faithful often pray with the words
Glory be unto the Father and unto the Son and unto the Holy Spirit. As it was in the beginning is not and ever shall be, world without end. Amen.

This is a praise of the Blessed Trinity and forms a regular and important part of Christian devotion to God the Almighty.

What prayers are said in your meetings in praise and blessing of the most glorious Trinity?

 

[Lamb]

The faithful often pray with the words
Glory be unto the Father and unto the Son and unto the Holy Spirit. As it was in the beginning is not and ever shall be, world without end. Amen.

This is a praise of the Blessed Trinity and forms a regular and important part of Christian devotion to God the Almighty.

What prayers are said in your meetings in praise and blessing of the most glorious Trinity?

This is sung in our liturgy so when I was reading your post, of course I was singing it in my head too! LOL

 

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This is sung in our liturgy so when I was reading your post, of course I was singing it in my head too! LOL

It's part of the rosary too. And we sing it in various settings.

 

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Pope Ratzinger admits that Catholic Church inserted Trinitarian formula into Matthew 28:19.

Catholic Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger makes this confession as to the origin of the chief Trinity text of Matthew 28:19.

“The basic form of our (Matthew 28:19 Trinitarian) profession of faith took shape during the course of the second and third centuries in connection with the ceremony of baptism. So far as its place of origin is concerned, the text (Matthew 28:19) came from the city of Rome.” — Joseph Ratzinger (pope Benedict XVI) Introduction to Christianity: 1968 edition, pp. 82, 83.

 

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Pope Ratzinger admits that Catholic Church inserted Trinitarian formula into Matthew 28:19.

Catholic Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger makes this confession as to the origin of the chief Trinity text of Matthew 28:19.

“The basic form of our (Matthew 28:19 Trinitarian) profession of faith took shape during the course of the second and third centuries in connection with the ceremony of baptism. So far as its place of origin is concerned, the text (Matthew 28:19) came from the city of Rome.” — Joseph Ratzinger (pope Benedict XVI) Introduction to Christianity: 1968 edition, pp. 82, 83.

Exactly - what grace and goodness God shows in teaching his Church leading the faithful into all truth as he promised. Blessed be the God of the fathers, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. One God in Trinity and Trinity in unity. Amen.

 

[Lamb]

The Didache, written 50-90 AD states this: 1. Concerning baptism, baptise thus: Having first rehearsed all these things, "baptise, in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost," in running water;

This states that there was a known baptismal trinitarian formula being used prior Nicea or any other possible Pope insertion.

 

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Thanks I did not know that, it is a wonder that a church so well versed in the ancient world would also not know this

 

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Thanks I did not know that, it is a wonder that a church so well versed in the ancient world would also not know this

Which church?

 

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Yours, you claim a cardinal inserted it and basically claimed to its inception so this info is enlightening

 

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Yours, you claim a cardinal inserted it and basically claimed to its inception so this info is enlightening

Perhaps you are confusing me with [MENTION=131]visionary[/MENTION]?

 

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Sorry MC you are right, I was

 

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Pope Ratzinger admits that Catholic Church inserted Trinitarian formula into Matthew 28:19.

Catholic Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger makes this confession as to the origin of the chief Trinity text of Matthew 28:19.

“The basic form of our (Matthew 28:19 Trinitarian) profession of faith took shape during the course of the second and third centuries in connection with the ceremony of baptism. So far as its place of origin is concerned, the text (Matthew 28:19) came from the city of Rome.” — Joseph Ratzinger (pope Benedict XVI) Introduction to Christianity: 1968 edition, pp. 82, 83.

Maybe it would help if I highlighted what the Pope had written...

 

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Maybe it would help if I highlighted what the Pope had written...

It doesn't really help. What the pope said and what was subsequently reported in the news and then translated into English is only of minimal help. Why not search for your material in something more reliable like the CCC?

 

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It doesn't really help. What the pope said and what was subsequently reported in the news and then translated into English is only of minimal help. Why not search for your material in something more reliable like the CCC?

http://www.askacatholic.com/_WebPostings/Answers/2012_01JAN/2012JanWhyWereAdjustmentsMade.cfm

Eusebius was the Bishop of Caesarea and is known as “the Father of Church History.” He wrote prolifically and his most celebrated work is his Ecclesiastical History, a history of the Church from the Apostolic period until his own time. Eusebius quotes many verses in his writings including Matthew 28:19 several times. But he never quotes it as it appears in modern Bibles. He always finishes the verse with the words “in my name.”

 

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The reason we are baptized in the name of Yeshua is because we are baptized “into” Yeshua's Baptism Symbolism of His death, burial and resurrection. Even if the trinity doctrine was true, only Yeshua died, was buried and rose again. When we are baptized in the name of Yeshua we become believers in His Jewish Messiahship. Paul argued this point in 1 Corinthians 1:13 when he said, “Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?”

 

[Lamb]

Even if the trinity doctrine was true,

Even if?

 

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Even if?

What?? is it sacrilegious to question "trinity doctrine"??


John 17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

Ephesians 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Hebrews 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although theworks were finished from the foundation of the world.

Hebrews 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of theworld: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

1 Peter 1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

It will be in every physical and political sense, a real kingdom of earth that Yeshua will rule. It will have a king, a government, a capital, and an international system of laws. God has already delegated `all power in heaven and in earth' to His own Son, our Jewish Messiah Yeshua.

Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

So when I read OT, and I read a statement like this I think of Yeshua.

1 Chronicles 29:11 Thine, O Lord is the greatness, and the power, and the glory, and the victory, and the majesty: for all that is in the heaven and in the earth is thine; thine is the kingdom, O Lord, and thou art exalted as head above all.

 

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When Moses was introduced to God, it was explained to him this way.

Acts 7:31 When Moses saw it, he wondered at the sight: and as he drew near to behold it, the voice of the Lord came unto him, 32 Saying, I am the God of thy fathers, the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. Then Moses trembled, and durst not behold.

Exodus 3:6 Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God.

Exodus 3:15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, the Lord God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

Yeshua cleared up the matter by explaining that it was Him.

John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

And Yeshua is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob... Moses...etc.

 

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This is His Kingdom, His rule, and His decision. He is King of Kings, Lord of Lords, our Heavenly Father.

Genesis 17:1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the Lord appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

 

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So how many places declare Yeshua God? I know a few.

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.



Romans 9:5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

Titus 2:13
Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

Hebrews 1:8 8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.