Gift of Tongues

[Lamb]

But in the church, I would rather speak five coherent words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue. Brothers, stop thinking like children. 1 Corinthians 14:19

 

[Andrew]

But in the church, I would rather speak five coherent words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue. Brothers, stop thinking like children. 1 Corinthians 14:19

I believe he is promoting those to excell in the gifts, tongues is the lowest gift but its just as important a member as the interpreter and so on.
He is speaking of the gifts to help build up the church but there is also personal benefits to praying in the spirit, its a direct current of thanks to God, you may not understand what is being said but you can definitely feel it, the mind is inactive so to speak. It builds up the temple which ye are the temple, in the spirit and spirit in you.
Calling it a "feeling" is for a major lack of a better word, "in spirit" (inspire) fits better.
"Truth" for me is different than the science perspective or use of truth, its spiritual, its more than a feeling because its permanent .
Its not something I have to point out in any book, its a different truth, not the truth of man, but the one and only Truth.
Lutherans will argue that charity is not necessary for salvation, of course its not, the unbelieving thief the was crucified along side Jesus was redeemed amen.
But the mistake this argument makes is that they will it that all charity then, is unnecessary and label it Dogma.
Jesus says that if you see a sheep that is in need of saving its ok and encouraged to work to save it. Jesus will save them through us as well, the children of God and the body of Christ, we are the temple, our bodies infused with the spirit creates Charity, healing a brother in need with Love, and forgiveness and preaching the gospel.
I knew I was saved in Christ but with this understanding one has to walk through the door of doubt to strengthen faith, the blessing of the Holy Spirit destroys that doubt and kills depression, the peace overwhelms you. Each day onward you feel closer and closer to God than death, God draws nearer and nearer each day and faith increases. I thank God that a 2000 year old method (1c14:23) saved me through some silly church "with an idea some 200 years ago" that brought back this so called "useless" form of charity.

From where you left off...

20Brothers and sisters, stop thinking like children. In regard to evil be infants, but in your thinking be adults.*21In the Law it is written:

“With other tongues

and through the lips of foreigners

I will speak to this people,

but even then they will not listen to me,

says the Lord.”e

22Tongues, then, are a sign, not for believers but for unbelievers; prophecy, however, is not for unbelievers but for believers.*23So if the whole church comes together and everyone speaks in tongues, and inquirers or unbelievers come in, will they not say that you are out of your mind?*24But if an unbeliever or an inquirer comes in while everyone is prophesying, they are convicted of sin and are brought under judgment by all,25as the secrets of their hearts are laid bare. So they will fall down and worship God, exclaiming, “God is really among you!”







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[Imalive]

But in the church, I would rather speak five coherent words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue. Brothers, stop thinking like children. 1 Corinthians 14:19

Yes and alone he spoke more in tongues than all of them cause it's a prayer language.
So what? They do it in church and someone gets saved. I'm used to all ppl speaking in tongues in pentecostal services. Never bothered me when I couldn't.
In our church we only pray together in tongues if all who are there speak in tongues. We used to have prayer meetings before the service and ppl from other churches would come who didn't speak in tongues, oh my. Since then my ex told everyone not to speak in tongues if new ppl come who don't or I do it quietly so noone notices.

 

[Andrew]

This is a video I watch from time to time of a woman speaking prayer in tongues . You can question me all day and night forever about why I say its genuine and we will go in circles discussing it.
I ask you my friends, with eyes to see and ears to hear to listen to her testimony and prayer Amen.
https://youtu.be/vsrwgd7rnR0


This second video is science based that connects this "feeling" with the human body, brain scans on tongue speakers.
https://youtu.be/NZbQBajYnEc

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[MoreCoffee]

I think that the vast majority of "speaking in tongues" is just speaking in gibberish.

 

[psalms 91]

I would suggest starting a thread and limiting it to those who believe inntoungues or else we are just going to butt heads all day and get nowhere. I know thye are real, I know that they exist.

 

[Andrew]

I think that the vast majority of "speaking in tongues" is just speaking in gibberish.

Indeed. I passed through many videos that can "teach tongues" which is absurd, I wouldn't recommend faking or trying to sound like a tongue speaker its not something to be learned or demanded by God . Only the spirit can give out utterance if the spirit wills it.
Mega churches that violently knock people to the ground gives the true gifts a bad rap.



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[Andrew]

I would suggest starting a thread and limiting it to those who believe inntoungues or else we are just going to butt heads all day and get nowhere. I know thye are real, I know that they exist.

Same here, my apologies I had no idea that this subject was so taboo and controversial.
Do threads ever get closed or locked?


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[MoreCoffee]

Same here, my apologies I had no idea that this subject was so taboo and controversial.
Do threads ever get closed or locked?


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It is not forbidden. It does create some lively debates.

 

[psalms 91]

Same here, my apologies I had no idea that this subject was so taboo and controversial.
Do threads ever get closed or locked?


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No apology necessary and no threads do not get locked here. As one who has been around awhile it has alwways been an us versus them mentality. Mainly because those who do not accept the gift as being in operation today will never admit that it does exist and those who have the gift or believe in it will always know that it is real. It is hard to talk spiritual with someone who does n ot accept it. Impossible really

 

[Imalive]

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[Albion]

It is not forbidden. It does create some lively debates.

And it's certainly not "taboo." In fact, it would be interesting, and perhaps informative, if we could have a debate/discussion on this subject. We have discussions about the Eucharist, the place of the Virgin Mary in Christian devotions, the meaning of all sorts of Bible passages, and on and on, so why is it impossible to have a discussion about this one subject, I'm wondering.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Discussing it is easy. But some appear to be upset by the topic. I do not know why.

 

[Andrew]

No apology necessary and no threads do not get locked here. As one who has been around awhile it has alwways been an us versus them mentality. Mainly because those who do not accept the gift as being in operation today will never admit that it does exist and those who have the gift or believe in it will always know that it is real. It is hard to talk spiritual with someone who does n ot accept it. Impossible really

Right?
Humiliation I believe plays a major role in the transformation of mind body and soul, you have to trust in the Lord and embrace humiliation so you can over come all worldy intimidations and tribulation.
Amen


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[Josiah]

And it's certainly not "taboo." In fact, it would be interesting, and perhaps informative, if we could have a debate/discussion on this subject. We have discussions about the Eucharist, the place of the Virgin Mary in Christian devotions, the meaning of all sorts of Bible passages, and on and on, so why is it impossible to have a discussion about this one subject, I'm wondering.

For ME, the difficulty is I don't what "it" was - or what is now - or if they are the same. I can't deny "it" or affirm "it" or say much about "it" without knowing what "it" was and if what is is the same.

 

[Andrew]

For ME, the difficulty is I don't what "it" was - or what is now - or if they are the same. I can't deny "it" or affirm "it" or say much about "it" without knowing what "it" was and if what is is the same.

"It"?
A simple way to test what "it" is to have the interpreter ask "it" "is Jesus Christ come in the flesh?", any spirit that confesses Jesus Christ is not come in the flesh is not of the Holy Spirit.



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[Andrew]

Another amazing testimony, prophesy. I had a similar experience in 2014 when I came across a rescue church at outside in the town square one december night.
After an unexpected anointing a preacher spoke to me exactly about the problems I was having at the time and what God has in store for me but that I need to take the first step and come forth. I never met the man and had no affiliation with the people of the town, as I spoke to him in response a another man was on the mic down the way preaching above the stage, he repeated what I was saying VERBATIM as an echo which is impossible there is no way that man knew what we were discussing. You know that odd feeling when your phone sometimes repeats your voice and its hard to talk. Thats how it felt. This video reminded me how mysterious the works of God can be, very supernatural. That day in 2014 I will never forget, God instantly took away my compulsive need to steal and lie, the spirit will take away sinful habits that go against his commandments with such a painless light yoke. Amazing grace! Miraculous God of life giving waters!
https://youtu.be/ERMNjlGGDg8

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[JPPT1974]

God can give and taketh away. As He can do that. He has given those over in the gift of tongues. As long as they use it for God's purpose.

 

[MoreCoffee]

The most convincing and also the most persuasive argument in favour of tongues as they are exercised in Pentecostal and Charismatic meetings would be a video recording of a person speaking in a language that a competent translator understood and the corroborative supporting testimony of several disinterested experts in the language.

 

[Lamb]

I've heard people insist it is a language to talk with the angels. But both the Old and New testaments show that is not necessary as the angels spoke to man in their own languages.