Gift of Tongues

[Imalive]

That's sad. Lets pray for him.

 

[psalms 91]

Sadder yet is making fun of a gift of the Holy Spirit

 

[MoreCoffee]

I sometimes wonder if the youtube videos of people "speaking in tongues" might be intended as mockery.

 

[psalms 91]

If so then do you think they mighyt be on shaky ground as mockery and making fun of a gift of the spirit might be walking a close line to blasphemeing the Holy Spirit?

 

[MoreCoffee]

If so then do you think they mighyt be on shaky ground as mockery and making fun of a gift of the spirit might be walking a close line to blasphemeing the Holy Spirit?

No, making fun of God the Spirit is not an unforgivable sin but opposing Christ and attributing his work to Satan is blaspheming the Holy Spirit and that is said to be unforgivable, yet even so such sins are forgiven if the sinner repents and so the only thing that makes a sin unforgivable is to persist in it without repentance until the end of one's life.

 

[Albion]

Sadder yet is making fun of a gift of the Holy Spirit

Is it a sin to make fun of someone pretending to speak in tongues? Offhand, I would think that the pretender should come in for the greater criticism.

 

[MoreCoffee]

I knew another man who "spoke in tongues" but I cannot recall the phrases he uttered when he did. He eventually felt that God called him to be a pastor but none of the pastors in his meeting agreed so he stopped attending and complained that "no one preaches the whole gospel anymore" and a year or two later he had become a fairly militant atheist.

 

[Josiah]

If I may....


1. Again, IMO, the "problem" is that it seems impossible to know what "tongues" is - and thus impossible to know if one is mouthing "it" or not, or to put it in the terms of Albion, "pretending."


2. That said, I don't question anyone's sincerity (thus, I don't think anyone is "pretending" in some intentional sense). And yes, "it" (whatever "it" was) was a gift of the Holy Spirit so yes, that suggests to me some respect for it. MUTUAL respect is often a good thing.


3. I've read every post in these TWENTY-SEVEN pages of this thread on this topic, and it's the identical thing to what I've seen in every thread or discussion of this topic: nothing. I'm not sure there can be any discussion until we know what is being discussed.


4. Experiences are always difficult. On the one hand, WHATEVER "this" is, if it blesses - I guess I have no complaint (I might question the term used for it, however). But in the NT, it seems to me, "gifts of the Holy Spirit" were generally not self-serving, meant to bless self, but rather to grant some tool for the advancing of the Great Commission or Great Commandment. Teaching, serving, leading, prophecising, etc. these weren't to bless the receiver but to bless the Kingdom of God, the Body of Christ. I guess that's the thing I keep looking for in these discussions: how were OTHERS blessed via one having this gift, how did the CHURCH grow as a result of this? I"ve heard/read how the PERSON who claims "it" is blessed by it, but "Gifts of the Holy Spirit" tend to not be self-centered but self-giving, focused not on self but on the Great Commission and Great Commandment. The complete absence of even the mention of that gives me pause. But not criticism.


My half cent.....


Pax Christi


- Josiah

 

[Andrew]

Well as I said, it transformed me into a happier and better person spiritually and physically. It is NOT just a feeling or emotional, no motivational speaker could ever pull this off with me. Im a sceptic of hypnotism and can see through peoples intentions.
Not everyone in the church speaks in utterances I know my friends don't and yet they definitely have the Holy Spirit in them. My grandma is full of the Holy Spirit and she is Catholic and doesnt "speak in tongues" but she has made her rosary glow. Why are we debating anyway? Dont you see that it is the mockers and fakers abusers and thieves etc that give any group a bad name? Dogma has traumatised people enough that they hate all Christians, man made creeds and man made religion already makes us look bad and even within one will look up YouTube and be persuaded by devils that this or that church is demonic, most of these "enlightened ones/awake" have probably never stepped foot inside a church. Get away from argument based internet garbage, rejoice and praise him the debate is won by Jesus Christ. If we werent on the topic of tongues it would be on the trinity or the rapture and so on.
Become as children again, sing praise and rejoice! Lift up your hands and look up!
Perhaps it would be better if everyone just went "blalalalala shalallaaaa" because it would end all profanity and cursing, the tongue/speech is the most potent tool for murdering souls, thank you God for giving us YOUR word, the TRUTH and the SPIRIT that sets us free!

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[Albion]

I agree that pretending was not the best word I could have chosen, because I don't doubt that most Pentecostals are sincere, even if they are speaking sounds that are not any kind of gift of tongues. I was thinking, at that point in the writing, more about the kind of show some preachers engage in when they throw a "lamma klamma lamma" into the middle of an otherwise ordinary sentence.

 

[Andrew]

I agree that pretending was not the best word I could have chosen, because I don't doubt that most Pentecostals are sincere, even if they are speaking sounds that are not any kind of gift of tongues. I was thinking, at that point in the writing, more about the kind of show some preachers engage in when they throw a "lamma klamma lamma" into the middle of an otherwise ordinary sentence.

Its just them rejoicing, I got baptized last tuesday, in a gown and everything completely submerged and when I got up I rejoiced and shouted out without thinking in utterance, you get past what others might think or even what you said i didnt pay attention to the words because my spirit was rejoicing. Its almost that when words just arent enough and the spirit wants to rejoice it will give you utterance.

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[Albion]

Its just them rejoicing, I got baptized last tuesday, in a gown and everything completely submerged and when I got up I rejoiced and shouted out without thinking in utterance, you get past what others might think or even what you said i didnt pay attention to the words because my spirit was rejoicing. Its almost that when words just arent enough and the spirit wants to rejoice it will give you utterance.

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That's hardly what most proponents of tongue-speaking say it is all about, however, nor is that what the Bible teaches the gifts of the HS are given for.

 

[Andrew]

That's hardly what most proponents of tongue-speaking say it is all about, however, nor is that what the Bible teaches the gifts of the HS are given for.

Paul describes unintelligible tongues to be used for praising in the spirit. Yet as I have pointed out a dozen times that he speaks of foreign tongues and unknown tongues for within the church and praising alone in tongues, tongues seems to be something God intercede a lot throughout the bible not just acts or corinthians. God is alive and still intercedes but I cannot prove you that this is from God more than I can prove who I am through the internet.

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[Josiah]

I got baptized last tuesdayk

:clap2:

 

[MennoSota]

There is no "unintelligible" tongue. That is the fallacy of poor biblical exegesis.
Tongues are a known language and God gives this gift for the expansion of his Kingdom, not for me to feel good or for me to experience God so that I don't need faith.
All gifts are for God's glory, not for my benefit. This is precisely why I cringe when I hear people talking about themselves when discussing tongues.
I do believe God may give the gift of tongues today in very select situations where a sign of his glory is given to pagans, but as it is commonly practiced in churches, I see nothing of God's Spirit involved in the action. It is nearly always a self-glorifying act rather than a gift being given by God.

 

[Andrew]

There is no "unintelligible" tongue. That is the fallacy of poor biblical exegesis.
Tongues are a known language and God gives this gift for the expansion of his Kingdom, not for me to feel good or for me to experience God so that I don't need faith.
All gifts are for God's glory, not for my benefit. This is precisely why I cringe when I hear people talking about themselves when discussing tongues.
I do believe God may give the gift of tongues today in very select situations where a sign of his glory is given to pagans, but as it is commonly practiced in churches, I see nothing of God's Spirit involved in the action. It is nearly always a self-glorifying act rather than a gift being given by God.

I chose unintelligible for lack of a better word. But Yes I also cringe at people who rejoice after receiving a miracle from God and its not just because im spiteful but because they are only glorifying themselves. How can I be happy for someone who would have been dead by now had God not interceded just in the nick of time and feeling overwhelmed goes "deshela ma loshenay" or something when its clearly not biblical then there for is unholy.

I get what you are saying brother but this is not a sword to be raised against eachother, if it helps build me up I guarantee you other people sense the change in me and are becoming hopeful and are seeking salvation. Like a seed, people remember me being down lethargic and apathetic, a drunken and a filthy potty mouth, a luster and a lost man, and poof they see a different person and it changes their attitude, whether they hold their tongue from swearing or they increase in generosity and decrease in hostility I thank God and glorify HIM but certainly not myself. These changes I speak of are the changes in the people in my work place and at home. I asked my HR about getting out by 5 on Wednesdays for bible study and he sat me down in his office and gave me his testimony of his recent salvation through Christ, the seed grows in the community and if rejoicing in silly syllables out of spirit is wrong than so be it, but it is not syllables there IS communication from the spirit that speaks mysteries and I cant prove any of it.

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[Imalive]

Is it a sin to make fun of someone pretending to speak in tongues? Offhand, I would think that the pretender should come in for the greater criticism.

It is when it turns out you were wrong about it. Well it's what Paul says, they think it's nonsense, so why on earth would you put it on youtube?

 

[MoreCoffee]

It is when it turns out you were wrong about it. Well it's what Paul says, they think it's nonsense, so why on earth would you put it on youtube?

There is a lot of nonsense on youtube.

 

[Andrew]

There is a lot of nonsense on youtube.

And these people are self righteous, never attending church but constantly attempting to "pluck the mote out of a brothers eye" despite of the beam of there eyes. Judgmental and ungodly, i pray for them for they being blind lead only the blind to slaughter

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[MoreCoffee]

And these people are self righteous, never attending church but constantly attempting to "pluck the mote out of a brothers eye" despite of the beam of there eyes. Judgmental and ungodly, i pray for them for they being blind lead only the blind to slaughter

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I am not hasty about condemning them. The youtube people "speaking in tongues" are probably just speaking gibberish because all the people they know at the meeting that they attend do it too.