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[Edward429451]

Christians are called to love as God loves.

Correct. But don't twist it.

Acts 3:19-26
19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.

20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.

23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.

25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities..../KJV

So my friend, there is repentance involved. I can't remember ever reading the word repent or repentance in your posts? don't the gays have to repent and stop being gay in order to receive redemption and eternal life?

Because we do have to turn away from our sins. Stop living in sin. We will be forgiven if we were gay and turn away from is and Stopped doing it.

Be all that you can be. Try telling the Military Recruiter that your gay and he will show you the door. The gay guy could lie and get signed up. If he is found out later, then they boot him out.
At least it used to be like that?

Scripture says, we can not serve two Masters. So, isnt continuing in a gay lifestyle and professing to be Christian also serving two Masters? (Trying to)

 

[MoreCoffee]

I have to admit, that's quite a bit of great scriptures there, brother. It's too bad that none of those scriptures support your view. Nowhere do those scriptures say anything about homosexuals. What connects those scriptures to homo's?

Do the gays not have to repent and turn from their sins?

It was an admirable try brother, but it seems that you have fallen short in your thinking and reading. WIll you try again?

Yesterday, I looked up every scripture in the Bible which speaks about sexual immorality, Let me know if you want to read them and I'll post every one for you.

Yes they are sinners and so God loved them also and did for them. But it is not saying, but I Love God that saves a person. It is repenting from our sins and turning away from them and not continuing the lifestyle of those sins.

Besides, what makes you think that by accepting the gays, that I would be walking in love towards them? Would I not have to lie to them or at least restrain myself from speaking the truth to them? So wherein is this love that you speak of that I should have for them in restraining myself from the truth?

No brother. I will walk in love towards my fellow men and women of the earth, and in this love I will not lie to them. Speaking truth is love. If I restrained myself from speaking the truth then I would be coming into agreement with the spirit of sexual immorality which is behind their being gay.

I have to bust your bubble. There isnt going to be any gays in heaven. Gyas will be tossed into the lake of fire.

Situational:

You're walking down the street and are passing a school. And you look at the kids playing outside at school, and you see a child playing with what looks like a real gun. What would you do?

If you go up in the schoolyard and start yelling at the kid to stop it and put it down because it is dangerous, then you may be seen as a mean man and who knows? Perhaps even a threat to the child! That might be the childs gun, or his dad's. Not your business! MYOB!

So if you myob and keep walking, then you have not loved or respected the child. You have accepted that he has a gun and you keep walking. Is that love?
You kept walking to"respect" that child, and you get another 1/2 block down the road and then you hear several gun shots. A child has died...

What was the bigger wrong? Instructing the child that it is dangerous and he could hurt somebody in a firm voice, because, this isnt TV. This is real. OR...walking away without a warning to them and after you said nothing, the child died? It's pretty obvious, isnt it?

I think your heart is in the right place, love people. But you have not pondered the consequences enough so you havent thought it out very well.

I heard a certain Pastors message one time, it was about Sodom & Gomorrah that God destroyed. He said that God did not destroy S&G because most of the people were gay. Those are simply sinners and we all are sinners, so big deal, right? So why the need to destroy them?

Easy he said. Because all of non gays accepted the gays as neighbors and citizens and did not speak out to them that ther is a danger in their lifestyle. There wasnt even 5 people in those towns that did not accept the gays, and would speak truth to them, (Remeber the deal God made? If there be 50 righteous, spare it Lord? 45? 35? 10? 5??!!
Not even 5, so God destroyed the righteous in those cities along with the sinners, because they threw in with them and accepted them. That's why S&G got destroyed. Because of the acceptance by the righteous people of those cities.
Just be nice to us and love us, the gays said and is what you are saying to me.

You need to think this through some more!

After the paramedics left the school with the dead child, you went home and your mom was there. WHat's wrong? She said.
A child was with a gun was killed. I seen him with the gun before he shot himself.
WHy didn't you take the gun away from the kid?
I was minding my own business and showing the child love and respect, giving him his space......
BANG.

How could you be so thoughtless friend? Warning the child is an act of love

But we can sure trade scriptures' some more if you want. I have a list here for you! I sure would like to see that scripture that the brother who has read the entire bible cover to cover countless times (!!!!) has so you can show me the light about where, if, and why, I am wrong.

Gays can be outcasts, or...I could be an outcast with them! Uhh, no thanks. I've only read the bible cover to cover 5 or 6 times now and sure feel like I have a good handle on tis subject. But I've been wrong before. Can you show me?

I have to say that your posts fill me with horror.

 

[Edward429451]

I have to say that your posts fill me with horror.

I think I understand where you are coming from. Your heart may be in the right place, but after the Lord saved my life that one day when I had a seizure and rolled my truck on the freeway I understood that the Lord is serious and I owed Him my life. So I did repent of my sins and return to Him in a very serious way. So I dove into that book of Scriptures and prayer and began seeking Him out. You know what happened? Nothing. But I still knew. I would have been dead. Dead in my sins. He saved my life, I still owe Him my life. I was diligent and continue to be. You know what happened? Nothing, lol.
I hung in there because I know He saved my life. The last words out of my mouth before I would have died, were, Lord be with me...I "Know" He saved my life. I reached out to Him. Help!!! And He loves us so He did help. So I continued in that faith...

Until one day out of the blue...boom, the Lord answers a prayer for me. Supernaturally. I felt so blessed! It encouraged my Faith. So, young Christian that I am, started asking for more help with lots of things. I have seen so many miracles that happen supernaturally that, I now know down to the very core of my being...this is real. God IS real! This isn't what they taught me in Sunday School when I was a kid. This was beyond that. Very much so beyond that. So every single word in the Bible is true. This is not namby pamby white picket fence Christianity. This is real and this is much bigger than the watered down & whitewashed Sunday School Christianity of yesterday.

What does all that have to do with our discussion about gays? I'll tell you. Yesteryear Christianity says, Jesus loves us all, so we must love all people also and Jesus, in His love walked around healing people, casting out evil spirits, blessing people, feeding them, helping them...This is true!

I was raised that, when someone comes over and into our house, you offer them a drink. When I started dating who was my wife, I could not go to her house to visit my girl, without having a plate of food set before me! That's real hospitality! Good on them Polish people for that! I learned. After she left me, I almost died and got older and clung to the Lord.

And I recall (in scripture) that one time when Jesus was out walking around loving people as is His Fathers will, he made a Whip that day and went into the Temple with it and drove the liars and profiteers out. He went off on them!

Jesus was perfect and never sinned, right brother? So why didn't Jesus walk in love towards the moneychangers? They're just trying to make a buck!

The moneychangers were tired of operating in the closet. They wanted to be in the Temple! The gays and gay supporters are now asking Me, to let them into MY Temple? With the accepted knowledge that they are living a sinful lifestyle totally in opposition to God's wishes? Sexual immorality. It isn't just the gays, no young man can find a decent wife anymore because they are all 304's and are are proud of having had sex with 800 or 1000 different men. They want to come in too. Do I let them in too with the gays? Or should I make a whip like Jesus did?

I chose to make a whip. I wish they would go back into the closet.

Hey! We could send them all to California! Lol.

The point is, you havent thought it through good enough to see the truth. You are correct that we, as Christians are to walk in Love towards our Brothers and Sisters. but there will come times where it will be a lie of the enemy and you will need to pick up your whip.
So my water is off because of a leak, my phone is dead so the gay man must leave my porch, do I have to get my Whip?!

It all comes down to they must be repentant of their sin and sexual immorality. When they re not, they have to go, NOW.

 

[Edward429451]

I have to say that your posts fill me with horror.

Besides, if society accepts gay people as being gay Americans and A-Ok people...then what happens?

The drag queens come back out and want drag queen story hour to be reinstated in the kindergarten schools and for them to be accept also?
Then the Pedophiles would say, hey why not us? Don't discriminate against us?!
And I have heard that soe people like to have sex with animals! (That's super weird!) But where should we draw the line brother?

Would you let all those people in also? Should we love them and accept them?

Where do you draw the line? Who shouldn't be let in? Where do you pick up the whip and say no?

 

[Edward429451]

I have to say that your posts fill me with horror.

So I went and shut off the forum and figured to give that a break for awhile and watch some videos on youtube. What pops up in my feed? This one. Brother I tell you what, it's sorta spooky because this sort of thing happens to me a lot. I can be having some sort of theological conversation on a forum and then a video pops up immediately that is related to the conversation on the forum, lol!

Soo, hey, I might as well share it. It may help shine some light on the subject. Less than 5 minutes long too!

 

[MoreCoffee]

So I went and shut off the forum and figured to give that a break for awhile and watch some videos on youtube. What pops up in my feed? This one. Brother I tell you what, it's sorta spooky because this sort of thing happens to me a lot. I can be having some sort of theological conversation on a forum and then a video pops up immediately that is related to the conversation on the forum, lol!

Soo, hey, I might as well share it. It may help shine some light on the subject. Less than 5 minutes long too!

ugh!

 

[Edward429451]

ugh!

Wow it did it again. It had another relevant video on my feed. This Pastor talks about the Armor of God, and he talks about gays, trans, pedophiles and bestiality and explains how they are all under the same spirit.



It's impossible to be born gay or anything else sans men or women. All those different sects of sexually immoral people are all controlled by the same spirit, the spirit of sexual immorality. He isnt allowed to force anything on anybody.

It's like Adam & Eve in the Garden. She had to accept the invitation to taste of that fruit...thereby inviting in evil spirits They came into agreement with evil spirits. Same thing. Demons cant just possess anyone they want to. They have to be invited n.

We are told in scripture to diligently guard our hearts. Suddenly we are talking about the armor of God. What protects the heart? The Breastplate of Righteousness! What's it say? Put on the full armor of God, not just your favorite pieces, but all 7 parts of it.

When I do that, I know that, I can't give this unrepentant sexually immoral person a cup of water or invite Him in! Please leave..You do not invite wicked people into your home. Into your inner circle, lol! You can't. It does sound Kumbay ya to walk in love towards everybody, but the reality of it is, it doesn't include the money changers or the gays.

Now if a repentant homosexual showed up at my door, seeking info about God and getting deliverance, then by all means brother, step in and I'll make us some coffee and I want to give you this Bible, the word of God...

But not the moneychangers, not the gays!! That is opening a door for the spirit of sexual immorality. Remember Sodom & Gomorrah !!

James 4:7 tells us that we are to surrender–or submit to God–resist the enemy, and the enemy will flee. The breastplate of righteousness helps you resist the enemy. Stay alert about your daily decisions. Ask God to search you, know your anxious thoughts, and see if there is any offensive way in you. Resist him and he will flee from you!

 

[BruceLeiter]

How do you reconcile forming personal relationships with them without letting them know you disapprove of their way of life with:

Psalm 1:1: "Blessed is the man who walks not in the counsel of the wicked, nor stands in the way of sinners, nor sits in the seat of scoffers."

Proverbs 4:14-15: "Do not enter the path of the wicked, and do not walk in the way of the evil. Avoid it; do not go on it; turn away from it and pass on."

Psalm 26:4-5: "I do not sit with men of falsehood, nor do I consort with hypocrites. I hate the assembly of evildoers, and I will not sit with the wicked."

2 Corinthians 6:14 "Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness?"

2 Corinthians 6:15 "What accord has Christ with Belial? Or what portion does a believer share with an unbeliever?"

Ephesians 5:11: "Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them."

1 Corinthians 15:33: "Do not be deceived: 'Bad company ruins good morals.'"

Romans 12:2: "Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect."

2 Timothy 1-5 "But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of difficulty. For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people."

2 John 1:9-11: "Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works."

2 Corinthians 6:17 "Therefore, 'Come out from them and be separate, says the Lord. Touch no unclean thing, and I will receive you."

Revelation 18:4 "Then I heard another voice from heaven say: 'Come out of her, my people, so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues;'"


Also, after becoming friends with them and letting them think you accept their sin, do you come outright and say something to the effect of "Oh, by the way, do you know that your are living a lifestyle that will send you directly into Hell?".

@Frankj, I don't let them think I accept their sin at all. In building a relationship, I talk with them about things we do have in common, if any. However, I do accept them as people; that's what God's grace is all about. God leads the relationship and if he decides to save them, he opens the conversations up to his Word and changes them from their insides so that they will be open to being instructed by the Bible. That leads to repentance and celibacy on their part. Homosexual lifestyle wouldn't come up ordinarily in everyday conversation. If it does, I would say that I believe the Bible makes it clear that it's wrong but that they don't have to agree if they don't want to.

So, you meet a guy whose lifestyle is full of greed as a businessman. Would you point out your disagreement with his lifestyle right away?

Those passages are definitely true that we must not be partners with or influenced by sinfulness in the world, but it doesn't mean that we can never talk with sinners in the world. How, then, could we ever be witnesses to our faith in Jesus, who should be our focus, not other people's sins.

 

[Frankj]

So, you meet a guy whose lifestyle is full of greed as a businessman. Would you point out your disagreement with his lifestyle right away?

As for me, I avoid this type of person. I gain nothing from the association and he is not of a mind to let me sneak the word in on him through stealth.

Those passages are definitely true that we must not be partners with or influenced by sinfulness in the world, but it doesn't mean that we can never talk with sinners in the world. How, then, could we ever be witnesses to our faith in Jesus, who should be our focus, not other people's sins.

Here's the situation you, and I, and the Church, now face: Are we becoming the Church of accommodation, seemingly the most popular one today, or the Church of the word of God, the one that seems to be in retreat before the onslaught of the world and its ways.

Something that may be difficult to answer honestly in this age of deceit.

 

[BruceLeiter]

As for me, I avoid this type of person. I gain nothing from the association and he is not of a mind to let me sneak the word in on him through stealth.



Here's the situation you, and I, and the Church, now face: Are we becoming the Church of accommodation, seemingly the most popular one today, or the Church of the word of God, the one that seems to be in retreat before the onslaught of the world and its ways.

Something that may be difficult to answer honestly in this age of deceit.

@Frankj, you say, "I gain nothing from the association." Interesting! So, you have to gain something from every relationship?? What if that man can gain something from you by way of God's love flowing to him through you?? Can't God make that blessing possible? That's what a witness is--someone who merely shares what God has done in his life, and God will take care of the rest.

You are correct to say that we must not be churches of accommodation. Neither must we accommodate personally with the secular culture. But we can be light and salt as God's witnesses to the world, as Jesus calls us to be:

Mat 5:13 “You are the salt of the earth, but if salt has lost its taste, how shall its saltiness be restored? It is no longer good for anything except to be thrown out and trampled under people's feet.
Mat 5:14 “You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden.
Mat 5:15 Nor do people light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on a stand, and it gives light to all in the house.
Mat 5:16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven.

 

[Frankj]

@BruceLeiter:

Consider what Jesus meant in > Matthew 10:14 – “If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet.”. He didn't tell them to make friends with them and waste time that could be used on someone else.

But if you wish to look at another situation where you and the word are not welcome, how about going to a Mosque and preaching the word there?

If God moves someone to hear and follow his word this is good, if that someone has heard it and ignored it then you do no good by associating with them in hopes you can change him. FWIW, no one can change anyone that does not want to change, concentrate on changing what you can change which is yourself.

Interesting, though, is the mention of the city on the hill since that is something that's been on my mind quite a bit for the last few weeks:

When walking through a Muslim neighborhood I absolutely know I am in a Muslim neighborhood, When walking through a Jewish neighborhood I absolutely know I'm in a Jewish neighborhood, when walking though a Shinto or Hindu or Sikh, etc. neighborhood I know that is were I am.

But what of a Christian neighborhood? Unless it's maybe Amish or everyone is dressed like that man on the oatmeal box there is no discernible difference between Christian neighborhoods and secular, atheist, agnostic, satanic, etc. communities.

Why is this so? Why do not Christians stand out as that shining city on a hill the way they are instructed to? Why is there seemingly nothing to observe that sets them apart from the world to show the lost a better way?

This seems important, or why would it be mentioned if not?

(not meant to change the subject, just something heavily on my mind as of late)

 

[Edward429451]

Consider what Jesus meant in > Matthew 10:14 – “If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet.”. He didn't tell them to make friends with them and waste time that could be used on someone else.

Sorry to interrupt you guys bit, I heard it somewhere that, what actually happens when you prepare to leave because they have neither eyes to see or ears to hear you so you shake the dust off your feet and leave....is from God's perspective they are wicked people and even the dust on your shoes is holy comapred to them because you are doing the work of the Lord.

So you leave some dust as a Blessing to them that they might grows ears to hear!

I had always thought it was a negative sort of energy in the gesture. Oh you wont hear? So curses on you bye bye!! That sort of thing. But the Lord isn't like that. He even told us to Bless our enemies and those who wrong us. and that, brought that verse into a whole new light for me!

(At least Bless them on your way out!) It's not a bad thing to do to someone. That is not like flipping them off! it's a Blessing.

 

[BruceLeiter]

Every bit of that is in scripture too Brother. But you know that because you said it, lol. But that's exactly what it says, we are to share our witness and our testimony.

I have a crapload of personal testimonies that I could share of the Lord blessing me and doing supernatural things for me and all sorts of stuff. But they don't have a forum for testimonies here, they don't like testimonies for some reason?

One time the Lord sent an Angel to my garage sale, and the Angel looked like a man so I didn't know it, and he brought everything I had prayed to the Lord for and more! (Nobody goes to garage sale and spends $2400.!!)

Another time, there was 3 teams of police in cars searching for me to arrest me (long story!) and it would not have been just to arrest me because I hadnt did anything wrong. And I took of walking and praying, and the Holy Spirit started talking to me inside of me! Turn right here, go left up the alley, now left again, sit here and rest, ok get up go straight then right...and it was like Holy Spirit turned up the volume inside me because I heard him good and obeyed everything! And I stayed out of jail, and I never went more than 6 blocks from my house and 3 cars couldnt find me!

And quite a few more too. The Lord is an adventure. He will put you into situations that you don't want to be in, lol. I've passed a few and failed some.

My favorite testimony is, not when God parted the red sea for me (He didn't) but a very small personal thing. I almost prayed about it but then I did not pray about it...and He did it anyway! This testimony is actually a two part testimony, there were two things the good Lord did for me. One I asked for and one I didn't!

I wonder if they would get mad if I started a Testimony Thread?

I love hearing testimonies. These are real, from regular people. Not Moses, not Paul or Peter. Just normal people like us. Me? I'm nothing special. A nobody in fact even to TV Pastors. I'm only some retired plumber/heater/a-c guy and have no ministry. So why would God do those sorts of things for me? He loves me! He loves all you Brothers & Sisters too.

Yes, testimonies are great both for building up Christians' faith and scattering seeds in unbelievers' lives, @Edward429451.