Did Christ die for them that are perishing ?

[brightfame52]

It makes them alive !

All for whom Christ died and rose again, they are already made alive with Him, being made alive together with Him their Head, even though they in themselves are sinners and His enemies by nature. That this is so is taught here Eph 2:6

6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

The word raised here is the greek verb synegeirō:

to raise together, to cause to raise together

2) to raise up together from mortal death to a new and blessed life dedicated to God

Now this is True of all for whom Christ died for and rose again in God's Perspective !

This was also stated in the OT in type here Isa 26:19


19 Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.

Hos 6:2

2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.

This speaks of those that Christ died for and arose the Third day. 1 Cor 15:3-4

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

For instance, when Saul, who is now Paul, when he was going about persecuting Believers and consenting to their death, he was already, raised up together with Christ and sitting in heavenly places with Him ! This is True of all those Christ died for while in a state of Nature. This is Grace untold, and a Truth like this cannot be received by the natural man, its foolishness to him.

 

[BruceLeiter]

Well said, @brightfame52!

 

[brightfame52]

Blessings of Christ's Death before we believe !

For whomever Christ did die for, the following is True of them no matter what, either before and after conversion, meaning before and after they become believers !

First, its True that He indeed died for them, both in their stead as a substitute and on their behalf, or for their good 1 Pet 2:24

24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins[By His Death for us], should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Secondly, For all whom He died, He also arose, because of their Justification Rom 4:25

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for[Because of] our justification.

Many do celebrate easter , supposedly commemorating the Lords Resurrection, but very few understand the True significance of that Blessed Event, for it was the evidence that all for whom Christ was delivered for their offences, that they are now Justified before God ! Yes, even before they believe !

Thirdly, For them, He sits on the Right Hand of God !

Fourthly, He makes intercession for them, and all this is witnessed to by the Apostle here Rom 8:33-34

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again[For our Justification], who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

This making Intercession, Isaiah wrote of the same Isa 53:12

12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

You see that ? He made Intercession, not for the believers, but for the transgressors, those He bare their the sins, the many ! Any Transgressor Christ makes Intercession for shall be saved by His Life, shall come to God by Him Heb 7:25

25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

Isaiah's here by prophecy is speaking of Christ's Priestly Work for those only that He Represented, the Israel of God, and this Work Justifies them before God or accounts them as Righteous, Yes even before they believe, because its not based upon their believing, but upon Christ bearing their sins !

Notice how Isaiah under inspiration of the same Spirit as Paul, did link together, the bearing of sins, and the making of Intercession in either case this is Priestly Work done by Christ for those He died for before they believe !

 

[BruceLeiter]

Blessings of Christ's Death before we believe !

For whomever Christ did die for, the following is True of them no matter what, either before and after conversion, meaning before and after they become believers !

First, its True that He indeed died for them, both in their stead as a substitute and on their behalf, or for their good 1 Pet 2:24

24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins[By His Death for us], should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Secondly, For all whom He died, He also arose, because of their Justification Rom 4:25

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for[Because of] our justification.

Many do celebrate easter , supposedly commemorating the Lords Resurrection, but very few understand the True significance of that Blessed Event, for it was the evidence that all for whom Christ was delivered for their offences, that they are now Justified before God ! Yes, even before they believe !

Thirdly, For them, He sits on the Right Hand of God !

Fourthly, He makes intercession for them, and all this is witnessed to by the Apostle here Rom 8:33-34

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again[For our Justification], who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

This making Intercession, Isaiah wrote of the same Isa 53:12

12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

You see that ? He made Intercession, not for the believers, but for the transgressors, those He bare their the sins, the many ! Any Transgressor Christ makes Intercession for shall be saved by His Life, shall come to God by Him Heb 7:25

25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

Isaiah's here by prophecy is speaking of Christ's Priestly Work for those only that He Represented, the Israel of God, and this Work Justifies them before God or accounts them as Righteous, Yes even before they believe, because its not based upon their believing, but upon Christ bearing their sins !

Notice how Isaiah under inspiration of the same Spirit as Paul, did link together, the bearing of sins, and the making of Intercession in either case this is Priestly Work done by Christ for those He died for before they believe !

Yes, all of us weren't born yet when Jesus died on the cross, but what point are you drawing from these passages, @brightfame52?

 

[brightfame52]

Yes, all of us weren't born yet when Jesus died on the cross, but what point are you drawing from these passages, @brightfame52?

I already stated my point. You just cant grasp it.

 

[brightfame52]

Accomplished by Christ's Blood alone !

By Christ's Blood alone, all for whom He died have, even before they are born sinners, and after being born sinners but not yet believers in Christ, in fact, while they are His Enemies by nature, they all have by the Blood of Christ alone: Reconciliation, Redemption, Remission / Forgiveness of sins, Justification, and these are all in a scriptural sense the same, and the result of the Death or Blood of Christ alone.

Eph 1:7

In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

To say we have Redemption through His Blood, and even the forgiveness of sins, is the same as saying we have Reconciliation or even Justification through His Blood.

Understand, to say that we were Reconciled to God by Christ's Death, while being Enemies Rom 5:10, is no less or different in saying that we are Justified or have forgiveness of sins while being enemies, by or through His Death !13

 

[brightfame52]

It makes them alive ! 2

2 Cor 5:14-15

14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:

15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

Since by the Death of Christ, all for whom He did die, they are delivered from the legal and judicial guilt of all their sins, as well as from the penalty of sin, Death. In light of this, His Death secured for them the effectual workings of the Spirit in them, as well as the giving of them spiritual life from spiritual death, for this is the Blessed effects of what Christ accomplished for them.

All for whom He died have no sins charged against them because of Christ's Work, and also by it [His Work] they have been declared Just, so to them, for Christ's Work sake in their behalf, must be given Life by the Spirit, hence we have Justification to Life Rom 5:18

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

Spiritual life flows[By the Spirit] to all whom Christ's Death Justified or made Just.

This verse Rom 5:18 presents to view the Two main accomplishments and effects by the One Act of Righteousness by Jesus Christ, which denotes His Death, and these are : #1 Justification and #2 Life, which is spiritual life from the dead by the Spirit [Eph 2:5]

If Spiritual Life or quickening from the Spirit is never in this life communicated to an individual, then rest assured that Christ did not do away by His Death of their sins before God's Law and Justice, and they still have an penalty of sin to answer for !

 

[brightfame52]

His Death actually saves them He died for !

1 Pet 2:24

24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

And believers may testify to this because believing is but an evidence of healing or of being saved.

Scripture is plain here that Salvation comes through Christ's death, or stripes or wounds.

The word heal here in 1 Peter 2:24 is the greek word iaomai and means to:

to cure, heal

2) to make whole

a) to free from errors and sins, to bring about (one's) salvation

The healing here is not physical but of spiritual disease and because its the Lord, its a supernatural healing.

In Isa 53:5 the word literally means that healing has come to us, its like what Paul says Rom 5:18, so spiritual healing is the free gift that comes to all whom Christ died !

That healing means Salvation is implied here Jer 17:14

14 Heal me, O Lord, and I shall be healed; save me, and I shall be saved: for thou art my praise.

Also Christ's Death, Stripes or Wounds, for all those whose sins He bare 1 Pet 2:24

"Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree"

His stripes shall heal their deadly wound of spiritual death brought upon them by sin Rev 13:3

3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

The principle being here that something that was considered dead, as all for whom Christ died are by nature Eph 2:5

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ[Healed], (by grace ye are saved or healed)

Yes, Healing experimentally comes by quickening.

Ecclesiastes 3:3

3 A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;

Here healing appears to be the reversal of killing or putting to death !

But by Christ's Death / Stripes those He died for are healed by sins death wound, for the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is healing from death !

Notice 1 Peter 2:24

24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

The healing causes us to be able to Live unto Righteousness, for that was the end and purpose of the stripes, to produce fruit that would live unto God or unto Righteousness , which is to live by Faith, for it is written, the Just [or Righteous] shall live by Faith; So if any of us truly live by Faith, we have Christ's Stripes or Death to Thank for that, for a Life of Faith is by Him as that Gift of God Eph 2:8-9

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: His Death or Stripes is the Gift of God !

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Also this is a serious indictment against all who deny that Christ's Death alone, in and of itself, is what saved those He died for !

 

[brightfame52]

It Gives Faith in Christ !

Jn 12:32

32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

Now drawing effects coming as in Jn 6:44

44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Same word draw as in Jn 12:32 !

And the coming results in not being cast out Jn 6:37

37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

Coming is also the same as believing we derive that from Jn 6:64-65

64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.

65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

Jesus here clearly equates not believing or believing not in Vs 64
with not having been able to come to Him in Vs 65. So if anyone understands drawing to Christ to be anything less than coming to Him believing or in Faith as to Salvation, they are ignorant to the meaning of the drawing [ Divine Power] to Him. Coming to Him denotes Faith in operation Heb 11:6. This drawing and coming is the result of an inward and irresistible call or summons by the voice of the Shepherd Saviour to His Sheep. Jn 10:3-4

To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.

4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.

The word for draw in Jn 12:32 the greek word helkō it also carries the idea of leading:


to draw, drag off

2) metaph., to draw by inward power, lead, impel

Jesus assures that this occurs to all for whom He was lifted up in behalf of ! 13

 

[brightfame52]

Loved us and Washed us from our sins !

Rev 1:5

5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

Now when did those Christ died for, whom he Loved Eph 5:25

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

Church here corresponds with us in Rev 1:5

5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us[The Church], and washed us[The Church] from our sins in his own blood,

Now when were they Loved by Him and when were they washed from their sins ?

Well as far as the Loving them goes, it was set upon them before the world began. As to the washing them from their sins, legally it happened at His Death, the shedding of His Blood. After having died, and being risen it is stated Heb 1:3

3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged[or washed our sins away], sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

That word purged means:

cleansing, purification, a ritual purgation or washing

a) of the washing of the Jews before and after their meals

b) of levitical purification of women after childbirth

c) a cleansing from the guilt of sins wrought by the expiatory sacrifice of Christ

Now what does this mean ? It means that everyone Christ Loved and died for , that before they know anything about it, and while they are yet enemies and unbelievers, children of wrath by nature as others, they have been by the blood of Christ washed from the legal guilt of sins which is Justification from them, purged of that guilt before God. This means that are Justified from, and forgiven of all their sins. They are before God, legally innocent of any sins being charged by God unto them, now and forever !

This had nothing to do with anything they did ! No, they did not have to believe or repent to get that Legal standing of Justification from all sin before God, Christ did it all and set down at the Right Hand of the Majesty on High !

 

[brightfame52]

It makes us free from sin !

Jn 8:36

If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

All for whom Christ died are made free from sin, from being a servant of sin

Jn 8:34-35

34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.

However the Son, for those He died for, makes them free from the servitude of sin, Thats how the Son makes you free Vs 36

Now all for whom He died are made free from sins servitude which Paul means by this Rom 6:18

Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

Both being made free from sin and becoming the servants of righteousness, the subjects are being acted upon, in other words the being made free in the greek is ἐλευθερόω and is in the passive voice. The subject did not fee himself, but was set free ! Remember the Covenant blessing of Christ is:

Isa 42:7


6 I the Lord have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;

7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.

And also in the greek, the ye became the servants of righteousness, it literally means:

to enslave, bring under subjection

It also is in the passive voice. Christ's death effects the enslavement of them into righteousness.

Now being made free from sin by Christ's death, means being made free from unbelief.

Being in unbelief is liken to being in a prison Rom 11:32


2 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

That word concluded is the greek word συγκλείω:


I enclose, shut in, make subject to.

God caused all for whom Christ died for to be subject to unbelief ! To be enclosed by it or imprisoned by it.

And one the effects of His Death for those He died for is to set them free from unbelief !

Thats why when one believes its an evidence of the effects of Christ having set them free from unbelief or sin ! 13

 

[brightfame52]

Is the Reason for Adoption !


The Death of the Lord Jesus Christ accomplished the reason for receiving the Spirit of Adoption.

All for whom Christ died, He redeemed from the curse of the Law, solely by what He did, God made Him a curse for all whom He died Gal 3:13

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

And because of that or in order to Gal 4:4-5

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

Which is accomplished by sending the Spirit into their Hearts V6 Gal 4:6

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

So to make it short and to the point, all whom Christ died for, have been redeemed from the curse of the Law, and they shall all receive the Spirit in their Hearts.

Ezk 36:27

And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.