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This has nothing to do with Zwingli.EXACTLY!
Either Jesus and Paul told the truth OR Zwingli was right and they did not (cuz to HIM what they said CANNOT be true).
Either "is" means real, exists, present (as every Christian for over 1500 years believed vis-a-via Communion) OR it means "not" as you hold. Either what follows the "is" is: BODY, BLOOD, BREAD, WINE, FORGIVENESS. Or "is" means "is NOT" and so they don't exist (but ODDLY, bread and wine do - go figure).
Either the words Jesus said and Paul penned are correct (IS.... BODY..... BLOOD.....BREAD..... WINE..... FORGIVENESS) or they aren't (and need to be corrected).
Either the words you claim ARE in the text or are NOT in the text (NOT, SYMBOLIZE, METAPHOR, SEEMS, WAS, CHANGE)
Again, please, pray tell, please embolden the word "BECOME" in the text.
Again, get out your dictionary (any dictionary, even a Baptist one) and look up the word "IS". Actually look it up (because I'm not sure you know the meaning of this word). There are a number of definitions. Look for this one: "Changed from one reality into a completely different one." If you find that definition, please give the reference. But I'm certain you won't do this because you KNOW that's not what the word means.
And what comes AFTER the "is?" IF the ONLY things were bread and wine, you'd have a point. But it equally states body.... blood.... forgiveness. So why does the "is" apply to the bread and wine but when it comes to the body, blood and forgiveness, the word "NOT" applies (and so in those cases, you declare Jesus and Paul incorrect and appoint you to correct them)?
Either you take the passages entirely literally or you don't. I have expressed the legitimate contextual reasons for why I take Jesus and Paul's words to be figurative.
You claim to take them literally, but not really. You don't believe the bread really becomes Jesus flesh or the wine really becomes Jesus blood. So, you don't actually believe in real presence. You have a something other that you call real presence, but Roman Catholics disagree with.