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Why would Jesus refer to himself as a Christian? If Christ was a follower of Christ he'd have spent his life going round and round in ever decreasing circles. It's not even as if the term "Christian" could be used to refer to being "Christ-like" because it would have been hard for him to be anything other than "Christ-like", given he was the Christ.

Thought you were about staying on topic lol.
The thread is aboutt he blog post.
But few wanted to discuss it and others trashed it. But why did theydo that...?
I assume they feel threatened for it shows that the system of the man made institutionalized "church" is not the authority they claim it to be.
 

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People HAVE been discussing it. There are statements that a lot of our language comes from Pagan terminology and yet, that doesn't mean we're Pagans for using those terms. The word Church can stand for a building, it can mean a congregation and it means the believers of God as a whole. That's not Pagan.
 

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Since you started a thread titled "church - a word of pagan origin" presumably you think the word does have a pagan origin and presumably think it matters enough to start a discussion on the topic. If you don't think it matters, why did you start the thread?


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Not to hijack the thread, but somebody brought up the question: why Jesus would call Himself a christian if He was the christ?

We call ourselves "christians" and believe that we are His body: the church.

Somebody said all words are pagan, so are we pagan?

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Amadeois, IF you really want to pursue that question, start a thread on that.
 

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There are a few issues here that could be discussed in different threads so we don't get called "hijackers."

Why was a group of people called christians in Antioch and not in Jerusalem?

Is Christianity following in Jesus' footsteps? Are we demonstrating to be His "ekklesia" as He wanted it?

The main title here presented that the word "church" was pagan but the link to Andre Jao's article pointed in a different direction. It brought up the point of how the church should act.

Bait and switch tactics?
Two different issues?
Is the word church pagan and the article goes in a different direction?

COMMENTS?????

THERE WAS A PROBLEM HERE.




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The article was written by a guy who didn't want to get guilted into going to "church" for whatever reason. So he wants to stop using that word because it made him feel bad. That sounds a lot like today's society of people who start to feel bad, so let's make it stop by doing ____ fill in the blank.

Going to church is not the bad thing that the author has a difficult time overcoming. We get fed on God's Word in church and that is NEVER a bad thing.
 

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Deliberate premeditated avoidance of the gathering of God's people is wicked, it may be a very serious sin indeed if the wording in Hebrews 10 is taken as applying to such avoidance.
Hebrews 10:23-27 [23] Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for he who promised is faithful; [24] and let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works, [25] not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near. [26] For if we sin deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, [27] but a fearful prospect of judgement, and a fury of fire which will consume the adversaries.​
 

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Sister Lammchen:

What you said of another fellow poster was I believe your assumption of what may have happened to him or he might have mentioned something.

You mentioned "guilted." Was it really what he felt?
Could it be that he was "discouraged" on what he saw?

We are here making "assumptions" and the truth may be far from what we think it is.

We are here to discuss, I hope, "Christian Issues." If so, let's act as Jesus would have want to see His followers acting together as a community discussing the issues at hand and coming to an agreement in a KIND AND LOVING MANNER.

JESUS IS LOVE, LET'S IMITATE HIM IF WE LOVE HIM SO MUCH.
HE DIED FOR US.

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Sister Lammchen:

What you said of another fellow poster was I believe your assumption of what may have happened to him or he might have mentioned something.

You mentioned "guilted." Was it really what he felt?
Could it be that he was "discouraged" on what he saw?

We are here making "assumptions" and the truth may be far from what we think it is.

We are here to discuss, I hope, "Christian Issues." If so, let's act as Jesus would have want to see His followers acting together as a community discussing the issues at hand and coming to an agreement in a KIND AND LOVING MANNER.

JESUS IS LOVE, LET'S IMITATE HIM IF WE LOVE HIM SO MUCH.
HE DIED FOR US.

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I said nothing of another poster unless he was the author from the link provided? Is that the case?

But back to what I said. It's obviously the author has an agenda but because he had some bad experiences that doesn't make going to church bad.
 

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Thank you for your answer.


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People HAVE been discussing it. There are statements that a lot of our language comes from Pagan terminology and yet, that doesn't mean we're Pagans for using those terms. The word Church can stand for a building, it can mean a congregation and it means the believers of God as a whole. That's not Pagan.

no one said it meant they were pagan for using it .. se that's just feeling threatened again..why ?
 

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I don't feel threatened. I was making a statement that it's just fine to use words that have Pagan origin.
 

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The article was written by a guy who didn't want to get guilted into going to "church" for whatever reason. So he wants to stop using that word because it made him feel bad. That sounds a lot like today's society of people who start to feel bad, so let's make it stop by doing ____ fill in the blank.

Going to church is not the bad thing that the author has a difficult time overcoming. We get fed on God's Word in church and that is NEVER a bad thing.

1. when did church become a place we are commanded to "go to " ? that is a man made manipulative theology , there is no scripture to base that on. and that's the point of the article
the word ecclesia means the assembly ... it does not denote a "place you go to " nor dictate a time you do so .
the greek/english interlinear puts it this way ecclesia= OUT-CALLED.. (as in those called out of the world who then gather together . and there is no command nor directive in scripture to gather under a roof at a certain place or at a certain time the assembling of the called out ones was ,in the book of acts done daily from house to house as they went around obeying the holy Spirit .

2. how well do you know the author of the blog that you can so categorically state such a thing about him ?
I know him enough to know you could not be more incorrect in your assumption. he and his wife a very young baby are presently traveling all over the place ,laying hands on the sick and healing them ,preaching the gospel ,driving out demons baptising people into christ jesus and seeing them baptised in the holy ghost ALL in obedience to the direct command of JEsus to do so ... and they know they are being baptised in the holy ghost because of the evidence that the people begin to speak in tongues ... / -while in contrast others go to a building on sunday listen to a sermon and do nothing in way of obeying what Jeuss commanded us to do .nor are they trained to do so.
 

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I don't feel threatened. I was making a statement that it's just fine to use words that have Pagan origin.

didnt say its not . but if the meaning has been changed ti manipulate the behaviour of those it is taught to.. then that is seriously misleading and dishonest
 

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1. Who said you're commanded to go to a church?

2. Your friend has issues with church. It's very obvious. And you seem to be following his path in being against church and want to spread that. That's obvious too.

In church we can assemble together as believers. There are church buildings where other believers know that Jesus is being proclaimed and it doesn't have to be hidden or forbidden. God works amazing things within churches even though you're against them. I don't care that you feel that people who go to church don't live up to your expectations but God is working within them.


1. when did church become a place we are commanded to "go to " ? that is a man made manipulative theology , there is no scripture to base that on. and that's the point of the article
the word ecclesia means the assembly ... it does not denote a "place you go to " nor dictate a time you do so .
the greek/english interlinear puts it this way ecclesia= OUT-CALLED.. (as in those called out of the world who then gather together . and there is no command nor directive in scripture to gather under a roof at a certain place or at a certain time the assembling of the called out ones was ,in the book of acts done daily from house to house as they went around obeying the holy Spirit .

2. how well do you know the author of the blog that you can so categorically state such a thing about him ?
I know him enough to know you could not be more incorrect in your assumption. he and his wife a very young baby are presently traveling all over the place ,laying hands on the sick and healing them ,preaching the gospel ,driving out demons baptising people into christ jesus and seeing them baptised in the holy ghost ALL in obedience to the direct command of JEsus to do so ... and they know they are being baptised in the holy ghost because of the evidence that the people begin to speak in tongues ... / -while in contrast others go to a building on sunday listen to a sermon and do nothing in way of obeying what Jeuss commanded us to do .nor are they trained to do so.
 

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ANOTHER THREAD

WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE CHURCH, ASSEMBLY, CONGREGATION, EKKLESIA?

WHY ATTEND ON SUNDAY OR ANY OTHER DAY? DOES IT MAKE A DIFFERENCE?

HAS THE CURRENT CHURCH DEVIATED FROM JESUS' ORIGINAL INTENT?

ANY TAKERS TO START ANOTHER THREAD?


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The Armor of God

Whomever placed those pictures of either Hebraic or Roman Armor, I believe and I hope, did not intend to do that.

It seems that the details and wording of the Roman Armor was mot considered.

The writings explaining a material armor with a Roman uniform.

The description comes from Ephesians 6:10 through 17 and is the proper armor of God to go

AN SPIRITUAL BATTLE

This armor defends us from the second death, the death of the spirit.

ARE WE PAYING ATTENTION TO THE LITTLE DETAILS???

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From Exodus 28:1 (Shemot)

"And take though unto thee Aaron thy brother, and his sons with him, from among the children of Israel, that he may minister unto me in the priest's office, even Aaron, Nada and Abihu, Eleazar and Ithamar, Aaron's son."

2. "And thought shalt make holy garments for Aaron thy brother for glory and for beauty."

Clothing to minister to God.

I did read some more and Exodus 6 describes the colors of the Ephod: blue, purple and scarlet. Made of gold and fine twined linen.

Isn't there a similarity with another institution?

ENOUGH MATERIAL FOR ANOTHER THREAD.

OUR WORLD IS FULL OF THREADS, I HOPE WE DON'T
ENTANGLE THEM.

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Every thing is quiet on the Western front.

Why?

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