Church... A word of pagan origin -

[amadeois]

[MENTION=13]Josiah[/MENTION]

Have you been reading all the posts of this thread?

Because of your question, I can assume you have not done so.

If you are interested, I suggest you read the postings and then you'll understand.

This shows here that people read what they want to read and not what they SHOULD be reading to learn the WORD OF GOD.

They are more interested on what this person said or this other one: Saint Basil, your pastor, postings on this thread including my own.

But the ones coming from the book are the real thing and is there where we will find ALL the answers. I have been trying to point you in the right direction but since I am a nobody, you will not believe me. I'm telling you people, search the WORD extensively like the Berean and pay attention to the LITTLE DRTAILS, they make a big difference.

I am not forcing you to believe on what I write, only check what I say like the Bereans did. Not my glory.

BUT GLORY BE TO GOD.

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[Josiah]

This shows here that people read what they want to read and not what they SHOULD be reading to learn the WORD OF GOD.

I believe if people want to read Scripture (CHRISTIAN Scripture) they should read Christian Scripture (generally what is now meant by the English word "Bible"). I suspect nearly all the Christians here at CH agree with that.

They are more interested on what this person said or this other one: Saint Basil, your pastor, postings on this thread including my own.

Perhaps.... but then that's sound, good reason to NOT put too much in what you say. As if God needs correcting - and has appointed you (uniquely, singularly, individually) to do the job for Him. Frankly, I'd put MORE stock in what ALL Christians have professed for 2000 years than what some individual dude on the internet (including me!) thinks, but I wouldn't claim either is equal to God or that either is equally authoritative (as I noted, it's the chief reason why I left the RC Denomination).

Now, it's a different issue if WE (together - that's what we are here at CH, a community, a discussing community) want to share how we LAYPEOPLE understand/apply the words in the Bible in a honest quest to be better at understanding, to perhaps advance mutual understanding and agreement, but none of that "trumps" God or God's inscripturated words (what is meant by Scripture in this CHRISTIAN ONLY forum). I'm a sinful, fallen, often wrong bloat. COLLECTIVELY (all the billions of us spread out over all the centuries and continents), we are stronger but still fallen people.

But the ones coming from the book are the real thing

I agree. At least as it involves the topic in this forum, Christian theology. I passionately believe that Scripture is the norma normans in Christian epistemology - and have often posted on that here.



- Josiah




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[Alithis]

It seems to me like someone (the author) who got burned in "church" and needed to throw in a hate blog

Terminology DOES mean different things to different people. We come from different countries, different cultures, different families. It's OKAY to call it church. It's okay to call it congregation. It's OKAY to call it assembly.

Don't forget the obvious about what God said about where two or three gather in HIS NAME.

Let me clarify . I know of Andre. It is nothing like you have implied .that is not the motive of the article nor the type of person he is. He is however a historian of the christian church. ..now back to the topic

 

[Alithis]

The English word church is derived from Greek. It is a borrowed word. It is not of anglo-saxon origin. It's Greek source means "house of the Lord".

Old English cir(i)ce, cyr(i)ce, related to Dutch kerk and German Kirche, based on medieval Greek kurikon, from Greek kuriakon (dōma) ‘Lord's (house)’, from kurios ‘master or lord’. Compare with kirk.​

Exactly... it is not the word jesus or the apostles used.
A house or an object and a gathering related to it.
they didnt use that word..
they used a word which means assembly. A word which is not controled by day,time,or place..the deciples of Jesus can assemble anywhere any time any place. They are free from adhering to any specific place or control. They are led of the spirit.not herded by men.

 

[amadeois]

EVERYONE SHOULD READ THIS ARTICLE

Presented by the Aggressive Christianity.

This is what church should be, called out ones under one King of Kings, none other than Jesus.

Jesus ekklesia and its meaning were kidnapped by the Devil and a lot of other things also.

The Devil is a master manipulator and is The Master of Deception.

This article shows you those changes but, I believe, the did not say who did it.

Here you can find it:

http://www.aggressivechristianity.net/articles/eccesia.htm

ON YOUR FACE CHRISTIANITY.



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[amadeois]

The last part should be:

articles/ecclesia.htm

The word ecclesia.htm was missing the letter "l".

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[amadeois]

Here is the correct link:

http://www.aggressivechristianity.net/articles/ecclesia.htm

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[amadeois]

I checked the link and is working.

A very well written article with good information to back it up.



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[amadeois]

Sumarizing:

I believe this article is the "PUNCH LINE" to this thread.

ARE WE IN AGREEMENT????

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[amadeois]

Can we end it on a 7/7?

GODLY NUMBERS????

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[Alithis]

Sumarizing:

I believe this article is the "PUNCH LINE" to this thread.

ARE WE IN AGREEMENT????

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Hang on ,havnt had time to read it yet lol

 

[MoreCoffee]

The scriptures do call the people of God both the temple of the Holy Spirit and the house of God so [MENTION=61]Alithis[/MENTION]' claim that it is not the word used by Christ and the apostles is not true.

Hebrews 10:19-22 [19] Therefore, brethren, since we have confidence to enter the sanctuary by the blood of Jesus, [20] by the new and living way which he opened for us through the curtain, that is, through his flesh, [21] and since we have a great priest over the house of God, [22] let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, with our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water.

1 Corinthians 6:19-20 [19] Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, which you have from God? You are not your own; [20] you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body.

2 Corinthians 6:16 What agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; as God said, "I will live in them and move among them, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

 

[amadeois]

You started the thread with an article and we should finish it with this EXELLENT and we'll researched article.

Tell us what you think.

Thank you my brother.

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[amadeois]

The scriptures do call the people of God both the temple of the Holy Spirit and the house of God so [MENTION=61]Alithis[/MENTION]' claim that it is not the word used by Christ and the apostles is not true.

Hebrews 10:19-22 [19] Therefore, brethren, since we have confidence to enter the sanctuary by the blood of Jesus, [20] by the new and living way which he opened for us through the curtain, that is, through his flesh, [21] and since we have a great priest over the house of God, [22] let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, with our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water.

1 Corinthians 6:19-20 [19] Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, which you have from God? You are not your own; [20] you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body.

2 Corinthians 6:16 What agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; as God said, "I will live in them and move among them, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Have you read the last article by Aggressive Christianity?

You probably had but will never agree with what it says. Brother, open up your brains and your eyes to the TRUTH and you'll be set free. You continue to believe on a deception.

But is everybody's decision to do what you want to believe either right or wrong.

Jesus never broke any body's arm to make them believe in His teachings.

He just said to follow Him.

ARE WE FOLLOWING HIM OR SOMEBODY ELSE???

I hope we see the true light.

and don't get run over at the corner light.

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[MoreCoffee]

Never heard of aggressive christianity as a magazine. From the description you give, [MENTION=252]amadeois[/MENTION], I don't want to read it.

 

[amadeois]

[MENTION=60]MoreCoffee[/MENTION]

Good for you. It shows your true colors.

Now body is going to force you to read anything but it seems you are afraid to know the Truth because it will totally change the way you think.

Anyhow, whatever you want to believe is fine, but then suffer the consequences.

Peace be with you brother.

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[amadeois]

Sorry for improper righting, I meant Nobody.

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[Alithis]

The scriptures do call the people of God both the temple of the Holy Spirit and the house of God so [MENTION=61]Alithis[/MENTION]' claim that it is not the word used by Christ and the apostles is not true.

Hebrews 10:19-22 [19] Therefore, brethren, since we have confidence to enter the sanctuary by the blood of Jesus, [20] by the new and living way which he opened for us through the curtain, that is, through his flesh, [21] and since we have a great priest over the house of God, [22] let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, with our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water.

1 Corinthians 6:19-20 [19] Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, which you have from God? You are not your own; [20] you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body.

2 Corinthians 6:16 What agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; as God said, "I will live in them and move among them, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

i sigh -- this is the usual branching off into ambiguity that always is the ploy of the cult of rome . its is not addressing the issue at all.
but it is showing me that adherents of rome have an issue with it . let's paint it clear for you ..
they removed the greek word from the original text .. then inserted another word, then they translated THAT word to the english word CHURCH . .. now many centuries later .. if you ask some one what "church is " the will not point to the assembly .. they will point to the institution .. they have been mislead . since rome is the chief misleader followed by all other denominations ,and you are an adherent to it and strong advocate for it .. it is of no surprise that you dont even want to address the topic at hand .

 

[Alithis]

Have you read the last article by Aggressive Christianity?

You probably had but will never agree with what it says. Brother, open up your brains and your eyes to the TRUTH and you'll be set free. You continue to believe on a deception.

But is everybody's decision to do what you want to believe either right or wrong.

Jesus never broke any body's arm to make them believe in His teachings.

He just said to follow Him.

ARE WE FOLLOWING HIM OR SOMEBODY ELSE???

I hope we see the true light.

and don't get run over at the corner light.

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OK -, as a stand alone article it is the same as the articled linked to in the op just more comprehensive .
what i like about andre's article is the gentleness with which he broaches the topic with a mind to set free those who have been laden down with a sense of guilt for not attending an organisation .

(i say that as i just wanted to clarify that while its a more comprehensive explanation of the english word church and how it is not even translated fro the original greek word but from a word that was used to usurp the original word and that the motive is shrouded in desire to 'control people " . it does not mean i agree with much else the agrresivechritianity group may write-though i dont disagree with everything they state . - i dont beleive them to be led by the spirit of God . -if any one wished to discuss that stance , start a thread on it )

 

[Alithis]

Sorry for improper righting, I meant Nobody.

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