Baptism in Jesus’ name, Trinitarian style.

[Lamb]

The word bsptism comes from the Greek baptismo. It just means to wash.
Alot of people wash in water. Pontius Pilate washed his hands for all to see that his hands were clean. I'm sure even Caialhas washed as well.
John the baptist came washing in water.
But the Lord washes in the holy ghost.

Just because Caiaphus washed in water doesn't mean he would be washed in the holy ghost.

John 14:46
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

When someone is washed in the holy ghost, they are washed in the name of Jesus Christ because the holy ghost comes in his name.

Water is not in Jesus name. It's just water.

Here is a bible study that my friend Tammy has done and gives me permission to reprint this:

WHAT BLESSINGS DO WE RECEIVE FROM GOD IN BAPTISM?

1 Peter 3:20-21. … in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it a few people, eight in all, were saved through water — and this water symbolizes Baptism that now saves you also.

Colossians 2:11-12. In Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ, having been buried with Him in Baptism, in which you were also raised up with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.

Romans 6:3-10. Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? Therefore we have been buried with Him through Baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection, knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin; for he who has died is freed from sin. Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, is never to die again; death no longer is master over Him. For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God.

* Note: These passages from Colossians and Romans are summarized well by Dr. Lowell Green: “Baptism is the retroactive participation in the work of Good Friday and Easter Sunday — even better, it is incorporation into the body of the risen and ascended Savior ...”

Galatians 3:27. For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.

Eph. 5:26. Christ loved the church and gave Himself up for her to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word.

Titus 3:5. He saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit.

Corinthians 12:13. For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.

1 Corinthians 6:11. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

Acts 22:16. And now what are you waiting for? Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away, calling on his name.

Acts 2:37-39. Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Brothers, what shall we do?" And Peter said to them, "Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself."

Mark 16:16. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

* Note: In these passages, the Word of God associates Baptism with dying and rising with Christ, being clothed with Christ, being cleansed and made holy by Christ, having sins washed away, receiving the Holy Spirit, being regenerated (reborn) and renewed, receiving the forgiveness of sins, and being saved.


2. WHO IS TO BE BAPTIZED?

Matthew 28:19-20. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.

Mark 16:15-16. And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.



Acts 2:37-39. Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Brothers, what shall we do?" And Peter said to them, "Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself."

* Note: The burden of proof lies on those who would choose to deny God’s gift of Baptism to an entire class of people.

 

[shilohsfoal]

Here is a bible study that my friend Tammy has done and gives me permission to reprint this:

WHAT BLESSINGS DO WE RECEIVE FROM GOD IN BAPTISM?

1 Peter 3:20-21. … in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it a few people, eight in all, were saved through water — and this water symbolizes Baptism that now saves you also.

Colossians 2:11-12. In Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ, having been buried with Him in Baptism, in which you were also raised up with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.

Romans 6:3-10. Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? Therefore we have been buried with Him through Baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection, knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin; for he who has died is freed from sin. Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, is never to die again; death no longer is master over Him. For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God.

* Note: These passages from Colossians and Romans are summarized well by Dr. Lowell Green: “Baptism is the retroactive participation in the work of Good Friday and Easter Sunday — even better, it is incorporation into the body of the risen and ascended Savior ...”

Galatians 3:27. For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.

Eph. 5:26. Christ loved the church and gave Himself up for her to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word.

Titus 3:5. He saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit.

Corinthians 12:13. For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.

1 Corinthians 6:11. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

Acts 22:16. And now what are you waiting for? Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away, calling on his name.

Acts 2:37-39. Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Brothers, what shall we do?" And Peter said to them, "Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself."

Mark 16:16. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

* Note: In these passages, the Word of God associates Baptism with dying and rising with Christ, being clothed with Christ, being cleansed and made holy by Christ, having sins washed away, receiving the Holy Spirit, being regenerated (reborn) and renewed, receiving the forgiveness of sins, and being saved.


2. WHO IS TO BE BAPTIZED?

Matthew 28:19-20. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.

Mark 16:15-16. And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.



Acts 2:37-39. Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Brothers, what shall we do?" And Peter said to them, "Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself."

* Note: The burden of proof lies on those who would choose to deny God’s gift of Baptism to an entire class of people.

I believed the gospel and was baptised In the holy ghost. You was baptised in water. Caiaphas was baptised in water too.

 

[Lamb]

I believed the gospel and was baptised In the holy ghost. You was baptised in water. Caiaphas was baptised in water too.

Talk to your pastor.

 

[1689Dave]

Here is a bible study that my friend Tammy has done and gives me permission to reprint this:

WHAT BLESSINGS DO WE RECEIVE FROM GOD IN BAPTISM?

1 Peter 3:20-21. … in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it a few people, eight in all, were saved through water — and this water symbolizes Baptism that now saves you also.

Colossians 2:11-12. In Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ, having been buried with Him in Baptism, in which you were also raised up with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.

Romans 6:3-10. Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? Therefore we have been buried with Him through Baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection, knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin; for he who has died is freed from sin. Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, is never to die again; death no longer is master over Him. For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God.

* Note: These passages from Colossians and Romans are summarized well by Dr. Lowell Green: “Baptism is the retroactive participation in the work of Good Friday and Easter Sunday — even better, it is incorporation into the body of the risen and ascended Savior ...”

Galatians 3:27. For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.

Eph. 5:26. Christ loved the church and gave Himself up for her to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word.

Titus 3:5. He saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit.

Corinthians 12:13. For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.

1 Corinthians 6:11. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

Acts 22:16. And now what are you waiting for? Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away, calling on his name.

Acts 2:37-39. Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Brothers, what shall we do?" And Peter said to them, "Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself."

Mark 16:16. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

* Note: In these passages, the Word of God associates Baptism with dying and rising with Christ, being clothed with Christ, being cleansed and made holy by Christ, having sins washed away, receiving the Holy Spirit, being regenerated (reborn) and renewed, receiving the forgiveness of sins, and being saved.


2. WHO IS TO BE BAPTIZED?

Matthew 28:19-20. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.

Mark 16:15-16. And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.



Acts 2:37-39. Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Brothers, what shall we do?" And Peter said to them, "Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself."

* Note: The burden of proof lies on those who would choose to deny God’s gift of Baptism to an entire class of people.

Did you know Luther preferred Baptism by immersion?

“It is therefore indeed correct to say that baptism is a washing away of sins, but the expression is too mild and weak to bring out the full significance of baptism, which is rather a symbol of death and resurrection. For this reason, I would have those who are to be baptized completely immersed in the water, as the word says and as the mystery indicates. Not because I deem this necessary, but because it would be well to give to a thing so perfect and complete a sign that is also complete and perfect. And this is doubtless the way in which it was instituted by Christ. The sinner does not so much need to be washed as he needs to die, in order to be wholly renewed and made another creature, and to be conformed to the death and resurrection of Christ, with whom he dies and rises again through baptism.”

—Martin Luther, The Babylonian Captivity of the Church

 

[shilohsfoal]

Did you know Luther preferred Baptism by immersion?

“It is therefore indeed correct to say that baptism is a washing away of sins, but the expression is too mild and weak to bring out the full significance of baptism, which is rather a symbol of death and resurrection. For this reason, I would have those who are to be baptized completely immersed in the water, as the word says and as the mystery indicates. Not because I deem this necessary, but because it would be well to give to a thing so perfect and complete a sign that is also complete and perfect. And this is doubtless the way in which it was instituted by Christ. The sinner does not so much need to be washed as he needs to die, in order to be wholly renewed and made another creature, and to be conformed to the death and resurrection of Christ, with whom he dies and rises again through baptism.”

—Martin Luther, The Babylonian Captivity of the Church

Did you know God prefers to wash his children himself?

 

[Albion]

Did you know Luther preferred Baptism by immersion?

So what? I don't know any churchman who considers it to be wrong or invalid, do you?

(That's aside from a few people who imagine that they can be baptized by some mental gymnastics in defiance of the Biblical model and Christ's own words, of course)

 

[1689Dave]

So what? I don't know any churchman who considers it to be wrong or invalid, do you?

(That's aside from a few people who imagine that they can be baptized by some mental gymnastics in defiance of the Biblical model and Christ's own words, of course)

Why infant baptism if scripture doesn't mention it?

 

[Albion]

Why infant baptism if scripture doesn't mention it?

What happened to your need to tell us (in post #104) that Luther favored baptism by immersion?

 

[1689Dave]

What happened to your need to post (#104) that Luther favored baptism by immersion?

It shows again Luther agrees with me on the matter.

 

[Albion]

It shows again Luther agrees with me on the matter.

So? There's nothing wrong with baptizing by immersion.

 

[1689Dave]

So? There's nothing wrong with baptizing by immersion.

It's the scriptural method. The alternatives are not.

 

[Albion]

It's the scriptural method. The alternatives are not.

With that, you are no longer in agreement with Luther.

Luther did not consider the application of water to require that this be by immersion, even though it's widely recognized throughout Christianity that there is some good symbolism involved with Immersion. Baptism by affusion is just as valid.

What's more, we do not actually know which method was used in Jesus' own baptism in the River Jordan. That's the case despite how often people argue out this particular issue by referring to Jesus' baptism as recorded in Scripture.

 

[1689Dave]

With that, you are no longer in agreement with Luther.

I agree with him as proven by his preferred method.

 

[Albion]

I agree with him as proven by his preferred method.

All you can agree with is the personal preference for baptism by immersion rather than for baptism in the ways that are used most often by Western churches, either Catholic or Protestant. It's not a matter of the validity of the Baptism.

It's hardly worth a mention on a thread that started us off by asking whether the proper wording in Baptism is the Trinitarian invocation or just the name of Jesus.

 

[1689Dave]

All you can agree with is the personal preference for baptism by immersion rather than for baptism in the ways that are used most often by Western churches, either Catholic or Protestant.

It's hardly worth a mention on a thread that started us off by asking whether the proper wording in Baptism is the Trinitarian invocation or just the name of Jesus.

Where does scripture mention infant Baptism when Jesus says whoever believes and is baptized has eternal life?

 

[Albion]

Why do you ask? We had been talking about Luther's (and your own) preference for immersion as the mode of baptism.

 

[1689Dave]

All you can agree with is the personal preference for baptism by immersion rather than for baptism in the ways that are used most often by Western churches, either Catholic or Protestant. It's not a matter of the validity of the Baptism.

It's hardly worth a mention on a thread that started us off by asking whether the proper wording in Baptism is the Trinitarian invocation or just the name of Jesus.

Jesus taught the baptism of believers. Not infants.

 

[Albion]

Jesus taught the baptism of believers. Not infants.

I go by the word of God in these matters, Dave. The Bible is revelation, you know, which makes the possibility of Jesus, who is God, taking the opposite stand on an issue like this impossible.

In addition, and if we consult the Bible, we can see that Jesus nowhere taught that young children should be barred from baptism or that there is some age requirement for being baptized.

 

[1689Dave]

I go by the word of God in these matters, Dave. The Bible is revelation, you know, which rules out Jesus taking the opposite stand on an issue like this.

In addition, and if we consult the Bible, Jesus nowhere taught that young children should be barred from baptism or that there is some age requirement for being baptized.

Show scripture to prove your claim. "Who believes and is baptized" excludes infants.

 

[Albion]

Show scripture to prove your claim. "Who believes and is baptized" excludes infants.

You cannot make one verse that isn't even about children be your "evidence."

Show us anywhere that Jesus said "Please don't let the little children come to me" or anywhere in the NT where an age limit is set for baptismal candidates or explain how the baptism of entire households on the affirmation of the head of the household, as recorded in Scripture, means that these family members were barred from baptism rather than admitted to it.

If you cannot do any of that, you don't have a case, period.