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    Predestination Romans 9 Potter and clay

    Yes Jesus had to die, in fact in the Mind and Purpose of God He was slain from the foundation of the world Rev 13:8 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. Again 1 Pet 1:20 20...
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    Predestination Romans 9 Potter and clay

    Adam had to sin because Christ had to die. It was Gods will for Christ to die for sin before adam was Created. What came first Christ being foreordained to die as redeemer before the world began as stated here 1 Pet 1:20 20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was...
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    Predestination Romans 9 Potter and clay

    So if He knew man would sin, man must sin, or God knew wrong, duh. So Adam had to sin, and before that, Jesus had to die, all according to Gods Purpose.
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    Who is "him that justifieth the ungodly"?

    Old Testament saints were Justified by Christ and were given Faith in His Blood. Old Test Saints looked by Faith towards Jesus Christ, New Test Saints look back at the Cross. Isaiah was a Old Testament Saint who saw the Death and Resurrection of Christ for sins before it occured Isa 53:5-12 5...
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    Predestination Romans 9 Potter and clay

    I have pointed it out. Like I said you cant see it, I can
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    Predestination Romans 9 Potter and clay

    The world was made for a redemptive purpose, so Adam must sin, Christ must die. I showed you that Christ was set up to die for sin and redeem before Adam was created. 1 Pet 1:20 20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, Now...
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    Predestination Romans 9 Potter and clay

    Its there, however that doesnt mean you see it, I dont make my statements of what I see in scripture based upon if whether you see it or not, it makes no difference if you see it, but that God sees it.
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    Predestination Romans 9 Potter and clay

    No Jesus had no choice not to die and Adam had no choice not to sin. Jesus death was established to occur before the world began 1 Pet 1:18-20 18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from...
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    Who is "him that justifieth the ungodly"?

    The Justifier of him that believth on Jesus ! Rom 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. That He might be Just and the Justifier of him which is believing on Jesus ! Now one of the meanings of this...
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    Predestination Romans 9 Potter and clay

    God created Adam for a Redemption purpose that necessitated sin!
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    Predestination Romans 9 Potter and clay

    Adam had no choice but to sin, Christ had no choice but to die. This was God's purpose
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    Predestination Romans 9 Potter and clay

    Man is a sinner by nature a servant to sin, can't will against that.
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    Predestination Romans 9 Potter and clay

    Christ must be Glorified so Adam must sin. Adam was Created so Christ might be Glorified Col 1:16-18 15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they...
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    Predestination Romans 9 Potter and clay

    He didnt have to say that. Christ must die so Adam must sin.
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    Predestination Romans 9 Potter and clay

    No scripture says man has a free choice. There is a scripture that says God made the wicked for the day of evil, the day of His Wrath Prov 16:4 4 The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil. God has them reserved for the day of wrath Job 21:30 That...
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    Predestination Romans 9 Potter and clay

    God created Adam for Jesus Christ,, so Adam must and had to sin, it was Gods Purpose.
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    Predestination Romans 9 Potter and clay

    God made the wicked, and it wasnt for salvation.
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    Predestination Romans 9 Potter and clay

    God has predestinated all whom He chose in Christ before the foundation Eph 1:4-5 4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to...
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    Predestination Romans 9 Potter and clay

    Doesnt that verse say God created or made the wicked ?
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    Predestination Romans 9 Potter and clay

    I dont think you know what you want to discuss. Is this thread suppose to be about National Israel ?
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