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  1. Albion

    A P O C R Y P H A : Included in every Holy Bible from the 4th century AD to the 19th Century AD

    We've covered this many times already. They were included with the Bible books, although they were not accepted as Holy Scripture. You, however, like to say instead that they were "in every Christian Bible" because that imprecise wording suggests the falsehood that the Church had decided...
  2. Albion

    A P O C R Y P H A : Included in every Holy Bible from the 4th century AD to the 19th Century AD

    That's correct. By the Church. It's the Christian churches which made the determination. Individual people can and have their own ideas about what books belong in the Bible, what doctrines they want to believe, who Christ actually was, whether they care to attend church worship services, and...
  3. Albion

    A P O C R Y P H A : Included in every Holy Bible from the 4th century AD to the 19th Century AD

    They were not part of the Bible. The publishers? I don't see them as doing anything remarkable, one way or the other, and it has no theological implications. You'll guess whatever might save your failed argument, whether it's accurate of not. As has been noted before, Bible publishers have...
  4. Albion

    A P O C R Y P H A : Included in every Holy Bible from the 4th century AD to the 19th Century AD

    I'm not sure that I can agree with that. If what the Jews considered to be divine revelation, and which Jesus often cited in his talks, is none of our business, why did the catholic councils that established the canon give them any attention at all? We should--logically speaking--dump the whole...
  5. Albion

    Your favorite car

    Hi, Mailmandan!! It's good to see you.
  6. Albion

    Question about David and Goliath?

    That's certainly so. Men in the Western world averaged not much more than 5 feet in ancient times, so you can imagine what was thought in those days to represent a "tall" person, let alone anyone who might be called a giant. And men were, on average, only about 5'4'' at approximately the time of...
  7. Albion

    A P O C R Y P H A : Included in every Holy Bible from the 4th century AD to the 19th Century AD

    That's right. ......................................................................................................... From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: The Book of Tobit (/ˈtoʊbɪt/)[a], also known as the Book of Tobias or the Book of Tobi, is a 3rd or early 2nd century BC Jewish...
  8. Albion

    A P O C R Y P H A : Included in every Holy Bible from the 4th century AD to the 19th Century AD

    "Church books," yes. But not books of the Bible. They never were accepted as books of the Bible. There is nothing more to be said on that issue.
  9. Albion

    Is it LAWFUL to kill animals?

    Of course, but I'd rather you used almost any search engine in order to access one of the many online sites that explain this. The example you chose here is actually not one of the more troublesome cases.
  10. Albion

    Is it LAWFUL to kill animals?

    Well, we have no particular verses in mind. But the situation can be described in general terms. If there appears to be a conflict, it's not necessarily so. It's just that we have not understood the meaning of one or the other or both. There are all sorts of verses that people who are not...
  11. Albion

    Is it LAWFUL to kill animals?

    Having been persuaded that there APPEARS to be a contradiction, we may be unable to reconcile the messages. What we are not at liberty to do is discard the verses that get in the way of what we want some others to be saying to us.
  12. Albion

    Is it LAWFUL to kill animals?

    'Two masters' does not in any way resolve any uncertainty over apparent contradictions in the Bible. It doesn't even deal with the issue.
  13. Albion

    A P O C R Y P H A : Included in every Holy Bible from the 4th century AD to the 19th Century AD

    Okay, so this has nothing to do with whether the Protestant churches or the Reformers themselves considered the Apocrypha to be inspired writings and, further, it certainly does nothing to suggest that the Apocrypha was ever actually part of the Bible.
  14. Albion

    Is it LAWFUL to kill animals?

    ...which doesn't in any way resolve any uncertainty over apparent contradictions in the Bible.
  15. Albion

    A P O C R Y P H A : Included in every Holy Bible from the 4th century AD to the 19th Century AD

    All right. If we have that claim settled... We can turn to the related topic you referred to. These books were rejected by the Protestant reformers and churches in the 16th century. That is crystal clear and has been explained here many times already, most often by our friend Josiah. In...
  16. Albion

    A P O C R Y P H A : Included in every Holy Bible from the 4th century AD to the 19th Century AD

    Then it IS about the canon... UNLESS you just want us all to know that the uncanonical and uninspired books commonly called "the Apocrypha" were often--but not always and not all of them--included by publishers of Bibles under the same cover with the 66 books of the Bible.
  17. Albion

    World Why do you think Iran views America as “The Great Satan”?

    Bingo!
  18. Albion

    Is it LAWFUL to kill animals?

    Excuse me, but neither have you presented any credible explanation for the seeming contradictions. Yet you have devised some strange explanations of your own and seem to think that because you have an answer of some sort, any sort, even if it doesn't make sense, that you have the high ground...
  19. Albion

    What year was Jesus crucified on?

    No one knows for certain, but those are the most probable dates, judging from both the Bible record and Roman history. The first one is probably too early because it assumes that everything that happened with Jesus after his baptism by John took place in a single year or less. So 31 is possible...
  20. Albion

    A P O C R Y P H A : Included in every Holy Bible from the 4th century AD to the 19th Century AD

    They were kept WITH the Bible books, but not as additional books of the Bible. I also find it telling that every time someone here wants to say that the Apocrypha is equal in authority with the OT and NT, he finds it necessary to use ambiguous language when making that claim.
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