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  1. Albion

    A P O C R Y P H A : Included in every Holy Bible from the 4th century AD to the 19th Century AD

    Anyone can do that--provide quotes from the Apocrypha. That wasn't what was requested of you. The follow-up question to you was concerned with your claim about the Apostles citing these writings and your assumptions about what they might have meant by doing so. Specifically, the issue was...
  2. Albion

    A P O C R Y P H A : Included in every Holy Bible from the 4th century AD to the 19th Century AD

    That was YOUR assignment. YOU made the claim that the Apostles had quoted from Scripture, by which you meant the Apocrypha. I asked for you to quote some of them doing so. But of course it proves nothing about our topic here if they did quote from the Apocrypha, because doing so does not in any...
  3. Albion

    A P O C R Y P H A : Included in every Holy Bible from the 4th century AD to the 19th Century AD

    Stories about God and other spiritual matters are found in almost every religion, and the mere idea of there being a god and something about his presumed plans and wishes is certainly not evidence that the writing is divine revelation! As for the expected coming of the Messiah in particular...
  4. Albion

    A P O C R Y P H A : Included in every Holy Bible from the 4th century AD to the 19th Century AD

    ...which is what Anglicans, Lutherans, and other reformed Christians have done for centuries. This was all explained to you earlier and proven to be true. But quoting the Apocrypha does not mean that the contents of those books is divine revelation. Not at all. It just means that there is...
  5. Albion

    A P O C R Y P H A : Included in every Holy Bible from the 4th century AD to the 19th Century AD

    The Great Schism did not mark the beginning of doctrinal disagreements between Rome and the East. It merely was the 'breaking point' event. And for you to say that both sides acknowledge some books of the Apocrypha is another and typical dodge. The issue concerned the fact that the Eastern...
  6. Albion

    A P O C R Y P H A : Included in every Holy Bible from the 4th century AD to the 19th Century AD

    Quote a few of the Apostles saying that any of these Apocryphal books were inspired the same as the Old Testament books that we all recognize.
  7. Albion

    A P O C R Y P H A : Included in every Holy Bible from the 4th century AD to the 19th Century AD

    You're mistaken about that.
  8. Albion

    A P O C R Y P H A : Included in every Holy Bible from the 4th century AD to the 19th Century AD

    Of course, but there were many uninspired religious writings being circulated both before and after Christ's lifetime. The fact that they existed and convinced some readers does not mean that any of them were Holy Scripture, the very word of God. The church knew this well. You should, too.
  9. Albion

    A P O C R Y P H A : Included in every Holy Bible from the 4th century AD to the 19th Century AD

    You lost that argument long ago, and it's time to move on. No one or several individuals defined essential doctrine for the whole of Christianity, and that means those you mentioned repeatedly in your posts. It also says nothing meaningful to point to the fact that certain parts of the Apocrypha...
  10. Albion

    A P O C R Y P H A : Included in every Holy Bible from the 4th century AD to the 19th Century AD

    All right. So now we have both of the "Do-it-Yourself" Christian theologians here admitting that they "don't care." That being the case, and considering that neither of them has presented a case for their own preferences that accords with Christian history, let's move to another topic!
  11. Albion

    Why did Jesus say it?

    Two (RC) sources: Holy Scripture and Holy Tradition. We know what the first is all about, but there is often confusion about the second. It is not the case that something said by a Church Father or several of them, perhaps separated by a few centuries, establishes anything the church would...
  12. Albion

    Christ's Resurrection

    Not unless entire days, counted as we count days ourselves, were necessary. All that you've presented suggests that this isn't the case, meaning in turn that Friday afternoon to Sunday morning involves three days which is in agreement with the scriptures. • Luke 24:1-8, 12-21 . . "The Son of...
  13. Albion

    A P O C R Y P H A : Included in every Holy Bible from the 4th century AD to the 19th Century AD

    See post #408
  14. Albion

    A P O C R Y P H A : Included in every Holy Bible from the 4th century AD to the 19th Century AD

    All you're doing there is verify what I have described before. The Apocrypha, that particular collection of controversial books, was always in question before the Reformation, and the Roman Church wound up accepting some of them but not all of them while the Protestant churches decided against...
  15. Albion

    A P O C R Y P H A : Included in every Holy Bible from the 4th century AD to the 19th Century AD

    That's an interesting theory. What evidence of this alleged "fear" can you provide? Or is the thread now reduced to being a contest between posters who have nothing new to add but can instead turn to dressing up their same contentions with sharper and more exotic jargon, such as "eviscerated"...
  16. Albion

    A P O C R Y P H A : Included in every Holy Bible from the 4th century AD to the 19th Century AD

    Only some of the books of the Apocrypha were affirmed by the Roman Catholic Church in the 16th century. We've already noted that. And some of these books were jettisoned by the Roman Catholic Church at that time. We've already noted that as well. The fact, therefore, is that all the huffing...
  17. Albion

    A P O C R Y P H A : Included in every Holy Bible from the 4th century AD to the 19th Century AD

    Unidentified, unnamed, and uncounted "Protestants" might say just about anything--exactly as "Catholics" do. In other words, your bluster means nothing at all.
  18. Albion

    A P O C R Y P H A : Included in every Holy Bible from the 4th century AD to the 19th Century AD

    All you have is one pastor, most likely an Episcopalian who was extolled in a Roman Catholic publication (get it?), who thought that the Apocrypha should be included in Bible publications. That doesn't verify even one of the false claims that have been made here about these books always...
  19. Albion

    A P O C R Y P H A : Included in every Holy Bible from the 4th century AD to the 19th Century AD

    Perhaps you are just familiar with oddball or poorly trained pastors who aren't at all representative of Protestant clergy. I've attended a wide variety of Protestant churches in my day and never encountered even one pastor who made a point of saying what I read here was supposed to be standard...
  20. Albion

    A P O C R Y P H A : Included in every Holy Bible from the 4th century AD to the 19th Century AD

    That almost never is the case. They most certainly did not agree on the Apocryphal books being of the same authority and source as the 66 which were ultimately accepted as inspired writings.
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