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  1. Albion

    Catholic Eucharistic Miracles

    First, it is NOT the case that such miracles happen only in the RCC, but to the extent that "eucharistic" miracles in particular are reported more often in the RCC than in other denominations, the RCC is the only Christian denomination that makes the eucharist into a magical act. That fact alone...
  2. Albion

    Catholic Eucharistic Miracles

    I thought that I'd covered that in the list of "answers" I gave in the earlier reply. First off, it's not the case that miracles are absent from all non-Catholic denominations, although the magical explanation of the Eucharist that the Roman Catholic Church emphasizes (almost alone among...
  3. Albion

    Catholic Eucharistic Miracles

    Some people would say all such exotic "miracles" are real and were manifested to the people who needed to have something magical in order to believe. Others say that they occurred in lands that, at the time, were losing their faith. Some would point out that similar miracles happened in the...
  4. Albion

    Did Jesus descend into Hell when he died on the cross?

    Answer: They were now freed to finish their journey to Heaven. That would be considered as Good News to most people. As was said earlier, "Hell" in this case refers to Hades, not to the place of the damned in particular. Instead, it's Abraham's Bosom, AKA Paradise, where those who lived before...
  5. Albion

    Early church celebrated Passover

    ...and we know this from the Holy Bible itself. Our friend most likely is unaware that the one who instituted and defined the Lord's Supper--Christ himself--said that for his listeners to continue to observe that ceremony later on would be them doing it in remembrance of him! (Luke22:19). The...
  6. Albion

    Catholic Church definition of the canonical scriptures.

    Possibly, but behaving childishly most often backfires. Occasionally doing that does irritate the other party enough to prompt a reply, however. In this case, your argument was so uninformed, so out of step with the historic events and the theological issues involved, that it seemed worthwhile...
  7. Albion

    Early church celebrated Passover

    ...which means that they celebrated what we most often call Easter. Period. What's more, Easter is STILL referred to as Pascha in the Christian churches of that region, proving that your guess is dead wrong.
  8. Albion

    Catholic Church definition of the canonical scriptures.

    I hate to think that insults and dares are what you have to turn to in order to revive a discussion that you've already lost, but I'll answer. Here are the questions you asked: Depending on how one looks at it, both the Pope and the Patriarch had the power OR neither of them did. Of course, it...
  9. Albion

    What if Modern Christianity is just the other end of the telephone?

    Only because you framed the issue that way before departing from it. Here is what you wrote at the start of the thread-- It is clearly not the case that the modern church can be shown to be "barely even recognizable" when compared with the early church. (!) ...and certainly not on account of...
  10. Albion

    What if Modern Christianity is just the other end of the telephone?

    I see that you don't have any examples of DOCTRINAL changes, i.e. matters that define the faith. That's what is meant by "beliefs." There are an enormous number of ideas about incidental and often trivial geographical or historical matters that do not affect the faith. But that--doctrines--is...
  11. Albion

    What if Modern Christianity is just the other end of the telephone?

    What this citation is telling us is simply that Nathan, along with other people, has misunderstood the words of Holy Scripture. That being the case, it doesn't do anything to show that the Church changed beliefs over time, kept Hebrew ordinances going, or that the Holy Spirit either has kept...
  12. Albion

    What if Modern Christianity is just the other end of the telephone?

    It would be interesting to read your explanation, with evidence and examples, showing how that idea is true. On the other hand, you don't do that, do you? Simply postulating some religious science fiction is all that you can offer.
  13. Albion

    Early church celebrated Passover

    What the word originally meant doesn't make them be celebrating something that they explicitly were not celebrating. They simply utilized the word because Jesus had sacrificed himself as the ultimate sacrifice. Jesus' sacrifice picked up on the earlier idea of sacrificing a living victim in...
  14. Albion

    Catholic Church definition of the canonical scriptures.

    In that case, you've just refuted your own claims here and, in fact, your whole thesis. That said, I realize that most of that theory, including the most recent historical revisions, were nothing more than speculation and guesswork on your part, anyway.
  15. Albion

    Early church celebrated Passover

    The early churches were celebrating Easter--also called Pascha and Resurrection Sunday--not the old Hebrew seder. They celebrated, and we celebrate, the day Christ rose from the dead, not Passover. There is no doubt about this whatsoever. Everything about the service both then and now would be...
  16. Albion

    Catholic Church definition of the canonical scriptures.

    But Roman Christianity never had power over the whole of Christendom. It was an association of separate bishoprics which occasionally agreed to conferences (councils) intended to resolve any doctrinal disputes. And long before 1054 that unity had been fractured. Also, the Oriental Orthodox...
  17. Albion

    Catholic Church definition of the canonical scriptures.

    It did not gain power over the churches of the Eastern half of the old Roman Empire, and that's what led ultimately to the Great Schism of 1054--the refusal of the Eastern churches to accept the pretentions of the bishop of Rome as he went about altering the faith handed down from the Apostles...
  18. Albion

    Catholic Church definition of the canonical scriptures.

    Not really, You were trying to say that it was the Roman Catholic Church in particular, NOT just Christianity in general. You certainly did. See the reminder above. There were many that came earlier. That's another item about which you don't care to know the actual history. The timing...
  19. Albion

    Catholic Church definition of the canonical scriptures.

    Only in the sense of saying "they were Christian, and we are Christian, so that means we trace our origins to that time period." Of course, it's nonsense since for some of them, the beliefs, the governance, the worship practices, and so much more bear almost no resemblance to what the first...
  20. Albion

    Catholic Church definition of the canonical scriptures.

    True enough. Not all, but most of them, yes. Not exactly. This was the biggest single split in church history, but there had already been other splits. I mentioned just one of the better known ones as an example. Well, all you are saying there is that the Pope was claiming a certain...
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