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  1. Albion

    Did Jesus descend into Hell when he died on the cross?

    It is generally accepted these days that the reference to "hell" doesn't mean the place of the damned, but it's referring to the world of spirits, specifically to those awaiting the Savior who would make possible them going on to heaven just as we who are still alive in this world count on...
  2. Albion

    Catholic Church definition of the canonical scriptures.

    That's true in the sense that Christianity with its organized structure began at that time. It doesn't say much about the various divisions within the Christian churches, however, and there were many of them from almost the beginning of Christian history. False. The Church was far from being a...
  3. Albion

    Tom Holland quote on Christianity

    It's true.
  4. Albion

    A P O C R Y P H A : Included in every Holy Bible from the 4th century AD to the 19th Century AD

    What difference would that make? Just about everyone who's contributed to the several threads here which deal with essentially the same subject agree that there is something of value to be gotten from a reading of those books. So now you've reiterated that point with emphasis. Fine, but the...
  5. Albion

    Catholic Church definition of the canonical scriptures.

    I'm surprised at that answer of yours. The Roman Catholic Church is the Latin version and there are other rites also under the Papacy. They are termed the Ukrainian Catholic or (some other ethnicity) Catholic, but they all are jurisdictions under the Pope and the Roman Catholic Church. At the...
  6. Albion

    A P O C R Y P H A : Included in every Holy Bible from the 4th century AD to the 19th Century AD

    I'll agree that you showed what it is that led you to your conclusion. And we in turn showed why that information didn't in any way show that your conclusion was correct. So, do we all have things in order now?
  7. Albion

    A P O C R Y P H A : Included in every Holy Bible from the 4th century AD to the 19th Century AD

    If you were ever "ahead," it would have been about two weeks ago.
  8. Albion

    A P O C R Y P H A : Included in every Holy Bible from the 4th century AD to the 19th Century AD

    It is well-known that the Jews in certain parts of the Roman Empire considered these books to be inspired while the Jews in other areas of the Empire did not. And this was the case both before and after Christ established his church, so "the Jews believed" is a claim that settles nothing other...
  9. Albion

    A P O C R Y P H A : Included in every Holy Bible from the 4th century AD to the 19th Century AD

    That still makes it a reference to known historical facts, not divine revelation--just as you were told. But you are correct here when indicating that it's YOUR PREFERENCE that you are advocating for, not the content of the writing itself. You would like it to be the case that the uninspired...
  10. Albion

    "Apocrypha" & The Gospel: Comparison Study #01

    Talk about "non debate!" You invited a debate by claiming to make uninspired writings from the past be Bible books instead. First, we had you claiming that these writings had always been IN the Bible; then you were forced by the facts of history to reduce that to saying a few early church...
  11. Albion

    "Apocrypha" & The Gospel: Comparison Study #01

    No, that would NOT prove it to be of divine origin. Lots of predictions made by men have come true, sometimes with reasons that are known and sometimes without explanation, but the prediction coming true does NOT make the writing be the word of God such as the Bible books are.
  12. Albion

    "Apocrypha" & The Gospel: Comparison Study #01

    Apparently, he thinks that any writing that talks about God or the history of the Hebrew peoples must, for that reason, be divine revelation. Let's hope he doesn't switch to arguing how the Book of Mormon must also be part of the Bible!
  13. Albion

    A P O C R Y P H A : Included in every Holy Bible from the 4th century AD to the 19th Century AD

    But apparently, we have to take your word for it, since you won't or can't point to your "evidence." The very title of this thread is a falsehood and has been shown to be so. Therefore, your team, which is attempting to defend any side issue it can come up with, is left to say that there have...
  14. Albion

    A P O C R Y P H A : Included in every Holy Bible from the 4th century AD to the 19th Century AD

    Since when did that fact decide any issue of this importance? Name almost any controversy in church history and everybody here would be able to find "dozens of Protestants confirming" it. Or Catholics or wannabe Catholics or people who've made themselves their own denomination, for that matter...
  15. Albion

    A P O C R Y P H A : Included in every Holy Bible from the 4th century AD to the 19th Century AD

    ...which doesn't explain why you imagine that Hebrews affirms an Apocryphal writing as being divine revelation simply because it makes a reference to the contents of that Apocryphal book.
  16. Albion

    A P O C R Y P H A : Included in every Holy Bible from the 4th century AD to the 19th Century AD

    One more time, Nathan -- Referring to an old writing does not mean that the writing in question is inspired or that the person referring to it considers it to be inspired. :rolleyes: Anybody who knows the first thing about church history and Catholic theology knows this.
  17. Albion

    Monkeypox the next thing to fear?

    That's somewhat reassuring, all right. But when the first vaxxes for the coronavirus were being arranged, most people believed the medical authorities and so lined up to receive their injections. They also thought these shots were real vaccinations like the ones they'd received as children...
  18. Albion

    A P O C R Y P H A : Included in every Holy Bible from the 4th century AD to the 19th Century AD

    I asked for some substantiation (see below) for the claim that Apostles cited verses from the Apocrypha because they believed those verses to be divinely inspired.** Andy had no answer and you've responded to the request by naming two NEW TESTAMENT books (!) instead of something from the...
  19. Albion

    LCMS Eucharist

    The situation is essentially the same, however. If it's consecrated but unused wine/blood in the chalice that the priest/minister must do something with after Communion...or if it's a residue of the same fluid in the cups used in some churches...the issue still concerns what to do with already...
  20. Albion

    A P O C R Y P H A : Included in every Holy Bible from the 4th century AD to the 19th Century AD

    It doesn't. However, when the claim is made that if an Apostle quotes from some writing, doing so "proves" that the Apostle considered that book to be inspired...then we are dealing with a logical fallacy as well as a theological mistake.
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