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  1. Albion

    Baptism in Jesus’ name, Trinitarian style.

    I'm coming to believe that you just don't understand what the words are saying. The passage you quoted here certainly does not affirm the claim you twice made about a Pope supposedly ordering a change from one form of the baptismal formula to another, :rolleyes:
  2. Albion

    Baptism in Jesus’ name, Trinitarian style.

    To readers who are interested in this topic: all of the Original Post's claims here were made, discussed, and refuted this week in the more recent posts of the thread entitled "Gifts of the Holy Ghost" on the "Bible Study" forum. Before starting here "from scratch," but with the same arguments...
  3. Albion

    Gifts of the Holy Ghost

    It doesn't do anything to prove what you claimed earlier, though. You claimed that a Pope ordered a change from one formula to the other. But both were in use during the first century. And you claimed that the shorter form was scripture, implying that the longer one (from Matthew 28:19) was...
  4. Albion

    Does your church celebrate Reformation Sunday?

    It's the 20th Sunday after Trinity this year on the church calendar, but it would not be unusual if the sermon were to include a mention of Reformation Sunday and the historic events associated wtih that day. The hymn, A Mighty Fortress, is sung in our church at times, that's right.
  5. Albion

    Gifts of the Holy Ghost

    No. But what does that have to do with what we were discussing, anyway? The Westminster Confession is not an Anglican credal statement, so it is ridiculous to refer to it as "your old Westminster Confession." What's more, you made that mistake earlier, and I corrected you. So what's the point...
  6. Albion

    Gifts of the Holy Ghost

    What makes you think any of these was undercutting Christ in this matter? How could it amount to undercutting Christ for the Apostles to baptize converts and use the exact wording that, according to Matthew's Gospel, they had received directly from Christ himself along with the instruction to...
  7. Albion

    Gifts of the Holy Ghost

    Here's what I found on this topic in the Catholic Encyclopedia-- "There has been a theological controversy over the question as to whether baptism in the name of Christ only was ever held valid...Thus St. Paul (Acts 19) commands some disciples at Ephesus to be baptized in Christ's name: 'They...
  8. Albion

    Gifts of the Holy Ghost

    Apparently not, considering that the Bible record shows them willingly passing it on to other people in accordance with the needs of an expanding church. ?? His command, given in Matthew, was to use the longer formula. I don't know what it is that you are referring to here.
  9. Albion

    Gifts of the Holy Ghost

    That could be, but my point was that out of all the different denominations, with all of their doctrinal diversity, there is almost total unity among Christians on this particular matter of the formula to be used in baptism, yet you seem to be talking as though it's the opposite. Or that there...
  10. Albion

    Racism

    Lots of truths in that post, tango, but when it comes to the charge of racism, it's becoming apparent that this gem is just a means to an end. It's gotten so ridiculous that blacks are called 'white supremacists' by a certain political faction and purely ordinary words are called racist simply...
  11. Albion

    Gifts of the Holy Ghost

    Well, there are a number of apparent conflicts that we find in the bible. But most are not as much a problem as is supposed by a few people. This one that we're discussing would seem to be in that category. Almost every Christian church uses the Triune formula as found in the Gospel of Matthew...
  12. Albion

    Gifts of the Holy Ghost

    If there is any apparent conflict, baptisms performed using the first of those two formulas includes everything that's implied by the wording of the second one. But the reverse definitely is not true. In addition, the first of these does have the nature of a confession of faith. The second one...
  13. Albion

    Do you believe in the rapture?

    He didn't call you a liar. He contends that your POV is mistaken and/or contradicts itself.
  14. Albion

    The Word Trinity not in scripture? I believe it is.

    I don't care to! What I was asking was what this debate over the comma accomplishes. Whether the comma belongs or doesn't belong, the teaching about the Triune nature of the Godhead is found in Scripture.
  15. Albion

    The Word Trinity not in scripture? I believe it is.

    You're referring to the comma, I take it. But the whole controversy seems out of proportion. The Trinity--the concept that is orthodox Christian teaching--is verified by other passages in Scripture, the comma aside, and whether or not the word Trinity (in any language) itself is in the Bible.
  16. Albion

    The Word Trinity not in scripture? I believe it is.

    Okay, so what is the controversy? The Triune nature of God is clearly Biblical, even if that particular word isn't used. And as for the Johannine Comma, it is hardly the only scriptural "word on the subject."
  17. Albion

    Gifts of the Holy Ghost

    That isn't the question. It's the baptistic churches which claim that Scripture authorizes ONLY adult baptisms (yet they have no uniform teaching among themselves concerning what constitutes being an adult!) The mainline of Christianity, by contrast, simply does not find anything in Scripture...
  18. Albion

    The Word Trinity not in scripture? I believe it is.

    Excuse me, but I didn't find any conclusion stated in the OP. The word Trinity isn't in Scripture, but the concept is...and none of the verses that were cited which refer in one way or another to oneness, etc. rebut the belief in the Trinitarian concept of God.
  19. Albion

    Gifts of the Holy Ghost

    I believe we've already done that. You were unable to find anything in Scripture that advocates or even describes the procedures that I have outlined here--the ones that stand in opposition to the baptismal practices of the majority of Christian churches.
  20. Albion

    Gifts of the Holy Ghost

    Let's be entirely clear now, okay? Those people (recent adult converts to the kind of church you have in mind) are TOLD that any baptism they'd received elsewhere and prior to whatever age that particular minister and the denomination chooses to accept, is, by definition, invalid. And it...
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