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  1. Albion

    Is Infant Baptism and Accretion?

    Thanks. I "got" that much, but it seems obvious that almost every denomination thinks that there's a difference between being a Christian and being a ______ (name of denomination). If you are saying that Baptists see their unbaptized children as "Christians," well, what other people insist upon...
  2. Albion

    Is Infant Baptism and Accretion?

    I don't know what your point is with that post.
  3. Albion

    Is Infant Baptism and Accretion?

    It's already been mentioned by another member who is on your side in this debate that infant baptism existed in the early church, and a variety of ancient writers make the same assertion. That being the case, it cannot be that the practice was an "accretion."
  4. Albion

    Is Infant Baptism and Accretion?

    The other churches use the word that way also. As I have mentioned a number of times, being baptized as a small child doesn't mean that the person doesn't have to have what is often called "a conversion experience" at some later point in time. It's quite an error for people to sneer at infant...
  5. Albion

    Is Infant Baptism and Accretion?

    Of course that's true, but these are not churches that act as though they have the high ground when their own baptismal practices are an inconsistent mess. The historic churches baptize small children because the Bible shows that it's appropriate, and they always have done so. Meanwhile, the...
  6. Albion

    Is Infant Baptism and Accretion?

    Sorry to complicate the discussion further, but as I read what you said above, I am thinking that plenty of Christians and their leaders likewise agree that baptism doesn't guarantee saving Faith or salvation or conversion or anything like that. Yet all of those claims appear somewhere or...
  7. Albion

    Pope Francis & homosexuality

    Yes, I agree, and that's because of the position taken in the word of God, the Bible. We should also take note of how the media reported the interview between Francis and the AP correspondent. The Pope made two main points. First, that homosexuality should not be treated as a crime, although...
  8. Albion

    Accretions

    ;) I'm familiar with the routine by now. First, pose as a polite inquirer with an open mind. Then request Scripture verses when the explanations given don't verify the inquirer's beliefs. And then, after several verses are produced that clearly answer the question under discussion, pretend in...
  9. Albion

    Accretions

    In other words, the verses that you cited and in which Philp speaks about Baptism don't tell us anything, one way or the other, about baptizing infants. The words he spoke to this adult were meant for the eunuch and his situation. (" And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain...
  10. Albion

    Is Infant Baptism and Accretion?

    Agreed, but the church which baptizes such a person is making the decision that it's permissible to do so, just as that same church presumably will not allow an infant or elementary school child to be baptized. Again, I agree. But again also, I have to point out that we've been discussing what...
  11. Albion

    Accretions

    Was Philip speaking to an infant there? If not, you are misapplying the meaning of that verse.
  12. Albion

    Accretions

    Well, you were mistaken. When I wrote that the Church settled the issue, I meant that the Church settled the issue. It did not mean that the Church did so on the basis of something more persuasive than Scripture. I noted, in my first reply (I think it was) made during this discussion, that A...
  13. Albion

    Is Infant Baptism and Accretion?

    Yes, but that's like saying that cars don't necessarily have wheels. Well, some are up on blocks, aren't they? But we could dismantle almost every verse in the Bible that way, if we chose to do so. Not only are there several instances of "whole households" being referenced in Scripture, but in...
  14. Albion

    Is Infant Baptism and Accretion?

    Well, no. That's false. You can say it, but the Bible doesn't support it. What it teaches us is that whole households were baptized on the affirmation of the head of the house. There's nothing in those passages that says each person was first quizzed and evaluated as to his "Faith" or...
  15. Albion

    What is the name of the Father?

    I'll stick with the word of God in preference to imagining that I'm hearing things in the night. That's why we have divine revelation, after all, so that we all will have the word of God, just as the Bible explains, instead of the brainstorm of one person that's different from whatever the next...
  16. Albion

    Accretions

    If so, why is it that you reject the references to Scripture when it's me or Lamb or Josiah or the Christians of antiquity--rather than you--making a decision on the basis of Scripture? To me, doing such a thing seems indefensible.
  17. Albion

    Accretions

    Nope. Is it an argument from tradition whenever someone studies the Bible and makes a decision based upon its contents? Of course not. But you are now saying that because the people who were the closest in time to the writing of the New Testament reached a decision with that information in...
  18. Albion

    Is Infant Baptism and Accretion?

    As noted earlier, it also never explicitly shows an instance of the baptism of redheads or teenagers or Swedes or people with poor eyesight, etc. You, however, don't seem to have any qualms about baptizing any of these, even without an "explicit" example from Scripture.
  19. Albion

    Is Infant Baptism and Accretion?

    As has been pointed out many times, entire households were baptized. The Bible is clear on that point. As a result, all the efforts being made to talk around that point or to misrepresent it instead of addressing it forthrightly...or to apply some sort of human logic to the matter in place of a...
  20. Albion

    What is the name of the Father?

    That's because Jesus paid the price for mankind's sins by sacrificing his own life on the Cross. The other two persona of the Holy Trinity are God, but it was the second person of the Trinity who became the Savior.
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