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Even though you are an adherent and avid student of the Christian religion...and even though the great majority of Christians belong to churches that believe what I've tried to explain to you here...you say you've never heard of any of what I've presented to you? You never encountered any of...
But if ALL have been made eligible and are free to believe in and trust Christ, it isn't predestination that explains how it is that some come to Faith and are saved while others do not.
So, ARE all mortals eligible for eternal life through Faith? You've already been shown dozens of Bible...
Right.
Yes, but now we're discussing the matter apart from the doctrinal teachings as rendered by the institutional church.
If a person disagrees, then we'd think he would choose another denomination, one that agrees with his own interpretation. But this discussion is framed by the fact that...
...which, I think, is a part of the process that's eluding you. It's not that they are destined to be saved and, as a result of that, they will automatically also get Faith, like having a seat if you've already been allowed to board the airplane.
The meaning is rather that those who do come to...
That's correct, but I missed the reason you outlined all of it in your post, particularly since I had referred to the same sequence of events. The fact remains that the Christian community was pacifistic when it was the victim of governmental violence and later changed that stance after becoming...
I cannot imagine that very many people would disagree with that, but the issue we started with here concerned Transubstantiation, a major and distinctive teaching of the Roman Catholic Church, so it's nothing like a procedural matter like the timing of the collection.
Well, Holy Communion is...
Fine, but you approach this matter as though it is timeless. That's the mistake. Jesus' sacrifice paid the price for the sinful condition of mankind as it was thanks to man's inability to keep the Law perfectly. BUT, once justified, the people have their lifetimes to live out.
Do they get a...
That's true, but it has to be taken with a grain of practicality. The early church was pacifistic, mainly because it was on the run and being persecuted by pagan political rulers. Later, after Christianity had been officially granted toleration--and then made the official religion of the...
That could be it, but I have a feeling that there's another reason.
I am referring to the fact that people have decided for themselves where they stand on matters that are above their learning level, and they've done this in a way that earlier generations would have hesitated to do. This is...
Oh, it's that darned Bible thing again. If it were not for God's wishes, there wouldn't be a problem; and, after all, a church is supposed by its very reason for existing to be about doing God's will, not secular society's current theories.
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The Just shall live by Faith. Therefore, we know that Faith is the active ingredient (and the indispensable ingredient) in the salvation of any who are going to find eternal life. And as for those who are not heaven-bound? They are the people who do not believe, do not have Faith, meaning that...
It looks to me, judging from this and other of your replies, that you don't appreciate that mankind had no chance while under the Law, but that this situation was lifted by the sacrifice of the Cross and...
that sacrifice made mankind in general eligible for eternal life.
It's understood that...
Did you notice that there is no special select group referred to in the words you highlighted??
Certainly, the sacrifice of the cross made possible the salvation of "many," but there is nothing about "only those whom God had preordained" or "and all of these are of the group God designated...
Yes, that is the subject (the Just shall live by Faith).
Many people have come to faith over the years through hearing the Gospel preached, but folks who want to believe in predestination and limited atonement choose to add that faith was just assigned to them while other people who heard and...
Excellent points all!
Faith isn't provable in the same way as we might prove an historical event or some scientific rule. However, millions have come to faith through Holy Scripture because it is verifiable.
I'd say that you 'find out' by becoming familiar with the Bible which doesn't teach such a thing. Then you will have your bearings as to which churches and preachers are in step with the Bible and which have taken their guidance from someone or something else.
After that, you'd have to study...