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  1. prism

    Who is "him that justifieth the ungodly"?

    @Lamb had quoted me, and so you persist in ascribing point #2 to me. I've reminded this forum a dozen times that is @brightfame52 position, NOT MINE.
  2. prism

    Who is "him that justifieth the ungodly"?

    What if they never heard of Jesus? According to John 3:18 they would already be condemned (see also Rom 5:18).
  3. prism

    Who is "him that justifieth the ungodly"?

    That's actually a good Scripture verse revealing objective justification. Hebrews 1:3 The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of His nature, upholding all things by His powerful word. After He had provided purification for sins, He sat down at the right hand of the...
  4. prism

    Who is "him that justifieth the ungodly"?

    It may be more fruitful to address this to BrightFlame himself. He used logic when he presented the vain attempts of those on the differing sides of the Crux Theologorum and why they are not compatible with scripture. (I don't necessarily disagree with his conclusion.)
  5. prism

    Who is "him that justifieth the ungodly"?

    So why recount his beliefs when responding to me? I did and that's why I said, "the speaker used his fair share of human logic and reasoning to make his point." You came back talking about the Apostle Paul, while I was referring to the speaker, so that was confusing. Like I said, I was...
  6. prism

    Who is "him that justifieth the ungodly"?

    Sorry, but my name is not @Brightflame. I may have missed it but was the speaker's name Paul? Otherwise I was referring to the Apostle Paul.
  7. prism

    Who is "him that justifieth the ungodly"?

    I saw it, but the fact that Paul covers the topic in Rom. 9 in detail, proves it's not a taboo topic. Also the speaker used his fair share of human logic and reasoning to make his point.
  8. prism

    Who is "him that justifieth the ungodly"?

    I thought the discourse was whether OJ was biblical or not, not the scope of the atonement.
  9. prism

    Who is "him that justifieth the ungodly"?

    While we are at it, why not 'objective condemnation'? John 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. So those who have never heard of Jesus are 'objectively condemned' or...
  10. prism

    Who is "him that justifieth the ungodly"?

    Regardless of the translation one uses, I don't see it... Romans 3:22-25 BSB And this righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no distinction, [23] for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, [24] and are justified freely by His grace...
  11. prism

    Who is "him that justifieth the ungodly"?

    Still looking for that untwisted Scripture verse that says God justifies us in eternity apart from temporal faith. zzzzz,... waiting. As a matter of fact calling precedes justification and glorification follows justification. Romans 8:30 KJV Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also...
  12. prism

    Who is "him that justifieth the ungodly"?

    In post #940 you jumped on me for not holding to 'objective justification'.
  13. prism

    Who is "him that justifieth the ungodly"?

    Agreed, showing me your interpretation won't cut it.
  14. prism

    Who is "him that justifieth the ungodly"?

    Yes all have sinned. I still don't see where all have been justified though. (declared righteous)
  15. prism

    Who is "him that justifieth the ungodly"?

    Here is how my translation reads... Romans 3:23-24 KJV For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; [24] Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Being justified applies to those who have taken advantage of the grace which comes through...
  16. prism

    Who is "him that justifieth the ungodly"?

    I would be in belief if you can simply show me one verse that shows Jesus justifies a person before their entrance into this world, does He also regenerate them before their entrance as well? btw, if you keep up with the personal attacks, I'll put you on 'ignore'.
  17. prism

    Who is "him that justifieth the ungodly"?

    So you believe the whole world has been declared not guilty? On what basis? That Jesus died for the whole world? Good one.
  18. prism

    Who is "him that justifieth the ungodly"?

    Again, you are misrepresenting me. Maybe you misrepresent God as well?
  19. prism

    Who is "him that justifieth the ungodly"?

    Sure, God elects/predestines etc in the 2nd Person of the Godhead. I can back that up with Scripture, but can you show me where God justifies us in eternity apart from faith? Or I suppose we are now already glorified and have been given rewards? (2Cor 5:10)
  20. prism

    Who is "him that justifieth the ungodly"?

    It appears you are grasping. Justification is a legal term by definition. I just don't hold to 'objective justification' (and I doubt you do) as it is is “God’s verdict of ‘not guilty’ upon the world. Do you believe the whole world has been declared, 'not guilty'? John 3:18 NKJV "He who...
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