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    Did Jesus celebrate the Holiday that commemorates the Maccabees?

    But don’t you believe that the Jews who lived before the time of Christ rejected Maccabees as scripture? You believe that don’t you? Do you have evidence from primary sources dated to before the time of Christ that proves the Jews back then rejected Maccabees as scripture? If you’re not...
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    Did Jesus celebrate the Holiday that commemorates the Maccabees?

    Wait, though. What are you claiming? Do you claim that the Jews who lived before the time of Christ rejected the books of Maccabees? Do you claim that? Can you provide primary sources for that? What’s your counter-argument?
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    Did Jesus celebrate the Holiday that commemorates the Maccabees?

    Who lost it? Maccabees was in everyone’s Bibles, right up to the Protestant Reformation of the 1500’s. Even then Protestants still had it in their Bibles until 1885 when they took out the Apocryphal section. Even when they took it out, Catholics, Greek Orthodox, Coptics, and Ethiopians still...
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    Did Jesus celebrate the Holiday that commemorates the Maccabees?

    What are your claims?
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    Did Jesus celebrate the Holiday that commemorates the Maccabees?

    You’re not really proving anything. The vast majority of what’s referenced in Hebrews 11 can be found in the Old Testament. When it mentions the tortured men, one would expect that to be included in the Old Testament as well. As for the people sawn in two, perhaps that’s talking about the...
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    Did Jesus celebrate the Holiday that commemorates the Maccabees?

    They declared which books belong in the Bible, and these councils included the books that Jerome,Athanasius, Melito, etc. all said were apocryphal. Those guys said these books don’t belong, and the councils said yes they do.
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    Did Jesus celebrate the Holiday that commemorates the Maccabees?

    The early church. Not me. I’m not the one who made the decisions in the Councils of Rome, Hippo, and Carthage. The early church made their decision clear with no help from me.
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    Did Jesus celebrate the Holiday that commemorates the Maccabees?

    You’re just going to completely ignore the rest of the chapter? I’ve always gotten the impression that this story of men being tortured is coming from a book of the Bible that I should have read about, but for some mysterious reason it has been hidden from me. And I just didn’t know what it...
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    Did Jesus celebrate the Holiday that commemorates the Maccabees?

    Those people were siding with the unbelieving Jews. Melito, for example said that he got his list from the Jews. So did Jerome. This only proves the case further that the Jews who lived after Christ took those books out of their Bibles. That’s why they convinced some Christians to reject them...
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    Did Jesus celebrate the Holiday that commemorates the Maccabees?

    You’re still cherry picking. Look at all the stuff in Hebrews 11 that references scripture. The context implies that this reference to Maccabees is scripture. It’s no big wonder that the early church declared it to be scripture.
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    Did Jesus celebrate the Holiday that commemorates the Maccabees?

    I’ve always gotten the impression that Hebrews 11 is referencing biblical history. Everything else in Hebrews 11 is from the Bible, but we’re going to cherry pick out this one section of a verse and say that’s “just history” even everything else in the chapter comes from scripture? That’s...
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    Did Jesus celebrate the Holiday that commemorates the Maccabees?

    Probably the same reason many Jewish tombstones today are inscribed in English. It’s the dominant language today.
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    Did Jesus celebrate the Holiday that commemorates the Maccabees?

    The book of Hebrews is not a primary source?????? Clearly it was an apostle who wrote Hebrews, right? If not an apostle, it is still inspired by God, right? Hebrews 11:35 fits with nothing in the Old Testament, but yet fits perfectly with the story in 2 Maccabees 7. The whole chapter of...
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    Did Jesus celebrate the Holiday that commemorates the Maccabees?

    It’s not pure fantasy to suggest that the reason the early Christians accepted Maccabees is because the disciples told them it’s scripture. It’s actually much more fantastical to believe the disciples did NOT accept it. I mean, think about it. Think about how Clement mentioned Judith in his...
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    Did Jesus celebrate the Holiday that commemorates the Maccabees?

    If early church councils have no authority by God to decide which books belong in the Bible, then how do you know which books belong in the New Testament? I mean, you list off all these things that you claim don’t have authority to declare what is canonical. But you never took the time to...
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    Did Jesus celebrate the Holiday that commemorates the Maccabees?

    Why would Jesus refuse to celebrate? Is it an evil holiday? I mean, we’re talking about the time when the Greeks polluted the temple, so the Maccabees defeated the Greeks, purified the temple, and re-dedicated it to God. What’s so bad about this? This was important enough to God to have...
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    Did Jesus celebrate the Holiday that commemorates the Maccabees?

    If you don’t have the authority to remove these books, then why should I accept your claim that they don’t belong, especially when your claim contradicts the decisions made by early church councils? What makes you right and them wrong?
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    Is Daniel 9 talking about an anointed one, a prince; or is it talking about The Messiah, The Prince?

    Here it is in the ESV: “Know therefore and understand that from the going out of the word to restore and build Jerusalem to the coming of an anointed one, a prince, there shall be seven weeks. Then for sixty-two weeks it shall be built again with squares and moat, but in a troubled time. And...
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    What do you suppose Paul meant when he said not to boast against the branches?

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    Josiah

    I believe the Earth [emoji288] is about 7,000 years old. I highly recommend Kent Hovind’s 7-part Creation Seminar. It does a good job of explaining scientific reasons why the Earth is young (young compared to billions of years).
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