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  1. prism

    Spare the Feelings or Don't Bear False Witness?

    'Speak the truth in love'...firmly
  2. prism

    A Lutheran Roadblock

    Not true, I was told by Josiah..."I'm at quite a loss to know what moves you to keep this going, now on post 125,", so now you keep it going by responding also, lol.
  3. prism

    A Lutheran Roadblock

    When y'all quit responding, I'll quit posting. lol I thought we've covered this already.
  4. prism

    A Lutheran Roadblock

    Good point, but I've always been one to lay one question upon another with a teacher, sorry, it's just me.
  5. prism

    A Lutheran Roadblock

    LOL, you're the one who introduced the topic of 'predestination! I only introduced it jokingly. (besides, most forums allow the OP to derail their own op. You had said, "Predestination only applies to Justification ;)" (post #120) I responded with the passage... Romans 8:29 NKJV For whom He...
  6. prism

    A Lutheran Roadblock

    Romans 8:29 BSB For those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers. "To be conformed to the image of His Son", sounds more than justification.
  7. prism

    A Lutheran Roadblock

    Ok, looks like I'm outnumbered. I guess Hitler was ordained/predestined to be Hitler, (sigh)
  8. prism

    A Lutheran Roadblock

    Perhaps if someone from the 'conservative' / 'confessional' Lutheran camp had spoken up and exposed the matter, it would have pre-empted Hitler's blather about "Luther would have been in agreement" rhetoric.
  9. prism

    A Lutheran Roadblock

    I understand that, I just hope they at least didn't agree with Luther on his book about the Jews. I was hoping they would at least repudiate it. Surely they weren't ignorant of the book 😞 📖.
  10. prism

    A Lutheran Roadblock

    ..and so they did, but it still didn't alleviate my concern. Yes, I realize Lutherans follow the BOC (1580), not Luther...yet I don't know of any Lutheran writings that opposed Luther's teachings. Have any Lutherans of 'standing' (Preus, Sasse, Eyster etc. ) called out Luther on his "Jews and...
  11. prism

    A Lutheran Roadblock

    Not sure why you 'infused' this topic into this thread. :unsure: Was it supposed to serve as an example?
  12. prism

    A Lutheran Roadblock

    Did Luther 'shake the dust off his feet over years and years of trying but failing to convert the Turks? sure, but most of the written volumes (55+) are sermons. Is that where your 'feelings' take you? I started this thread with a simple question, "How do Lutherans here get over the hurdle...
  13. prism

    A Lutheran Roadblock

    I wouldn't exactly say that Luther was in accord with Scripture when I read... Matthew 5:43-44 ESV "You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' [44] But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, or Genesis 12:2-3 ESV And I will...
  14. prism

    A Lutheran Roadblock

    It just doesn't give the source that Paul McCain translated it from Luther as far as I can see. (which isn't very far). I ask, because Luther changed from the subjective/mystical (as this (sermon?) to more objective/non mystical around 1517-1518.
  15. prism

    A Lutheran Roadblock

    Yes, we are the guilty ones, yet I gave a source for my Luther quote, does this have one?
  16. prism

    A Lutheran Roadblock

    Rather Luther is parroting a medieval belief saying 'the Jews killed Jesus where Acts 4:26-28 shows that the Gentiles, Jews, Pilate, Herod and even God were complicit in the death of Jesus Christ... not just the Jews.
  17. prism

    A Lutheran Roadblock

    An interesting observation: From Luther's preface to Commentary on Galatians: "For the Jews, as St. Paul says, did not know their Messiah; otherwise they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. But the Church of the Gentiles has accepted Christ and confesses him to be the Son of God, who...
  18. prism

    A Lutheran Roadblock

    True, I tried explaining that in post #85 Agreed again. I would agree with Luther here, the Bible should be understood in terms of law and gospel. Agreed, when I read the curses in Deut 28:15-68 they made Luther's rant seem mild...Then again, God has that right over the people of His pasture.
  19. prism

    A Lutheran Roadblock

    I'm not a preterist and believe curses like Deut 28:37 (their return prophesied in Ez 38:8) are ongoing even after 70AD. Luther was just being used by God in fulfilling his curses (Deut 28:15-68) to the Jews for rejecting Christ...God's sacrificial Lamb. (See also Rom 11:25)
  20. prism

    A Lutheran Roadblock

    The Scriptures (OT) have clearly revealed (through types and prophecy) Jesus, who declared Himself as their Messiah with miraculous proofs witnessing His claims. The Jews, for the most part, rejected Him and in turn they have been cursed (Deut 28:15-68; notice only 14 verses of blessings but 53...
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