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Suffice it to say that if we define "begotten" as "born" that Jesus was begotten in the incarnation; because He was in fact "born" into the human race at the incarnation. Case closed.

Did Jesus become the Son of God, and therefore God, when He was begotten? And, was He therefore, not God, beforehand?

Answer the question.

ROTFL. Read it.

So, He was begotten in the incarnation. Because you have admitted that "begotten" means to be "born of".

Answer the question.

The most basic of scriptures (John 3:16) tells everyone otherwise. Why you would deny the teaching of such an integral verse is beyond me.

At the resurrection, you say?

I did address it, in post #10 (Oneness--coexistent modalism as the true Trinity).

How was He begotten at the resurrection? What, exactly, took place that you define as Him being begotten?

Just as hyper-Calvinism cannot really be defined as Calvinism, so "coexistent modalism" cannot really be defined as modalism. You have to delve deeper into what the doctrine entails in order to have a proper understanding of the doctrine. In coexistent modalism, there are three distinct...

For the sake of argument I can concede that Jesus was begotten at the resurrection; For even in that, it should be clear that it is saying that He was not eternally begotten but was begotten at a specific moment in time. Yet, for the sake of sound doctrine, I do not concede the point. Because...

You are saying that He was not "born of God" until His resurrection. Now, there is a definition for "born of God" in 1 John 3:9, 5:18. It is implied that someone who is not "born of God" is a sinner. Therefore, when you say that Jesus was not "born of God" until after the resurrection, you...

That is two Gods; if the Son is eternally existent with the Father. In my scenario, the Father and the Son are at least the same God, being the same Spirit. Do you contend that the Father and the Son are two different Spirits (the Son, being God, would by necessity need to be a Spirit, John...

He was begotten in the incarnation according to Luke 1:35. Now, when you say that He was begotten (i.e."born of God") at the resurrection, what do you mean by that? Are you saying that He was a sinner (1 John 3:9, 5:18) before the resurrection and therefore not God?

The Athanasian and Nicene creeds. As I said, when they say that Jesus is uncreated, it conflicts with Romans 1:3 and Luke 1:35. I have done so in another post. Yes, I am saying that His human nature is created; and that He is the Son in that He has taken on an added nature of human flesh. I...

In what I have quoted above in blue, I relate what is written in the creeds that speaks of the incarnation; how it appears to both be affirmed and denied. What I have quoted above in white, I have related what is written in the creeds that states that God is one Lord and that He cannot be said...

The Athanasian Creed Whoever desires to be saved should above all hold to the catholic faith. Anyone who does not keep it whole and unbroken will doubtless perish eternally. Now this is the catholic faith: That we worship one God in trinity and the trinity in unity, neither blending...

You can all make it harder for yourselves to enter into the kingdom (receiving remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Ghost according to the promise of Acts 2:38-39). If you don't believe that baptizing yourself (while if prayer is involved, it would be God the Father who does the...

Hi. I would say to this that in John 6:44, it teaches that we are enabled to receive Christ when God the Father draws us to Christ... That the inability that you are speaking of is dealt with to a certain extent as the Holy Spirit draws us. Being drawn is not being regenerated...and being...