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  1. Origen

    Did the very first Christians have the apocrypha in their Bible?

    I cannot agree with you about the transliteration. It is usually done with a hyphen (i.e. ha-adam) which I left out by accident in post 33. Also the letter aleph ought to be represented in transliteration with the symbol ʾ (it should look like this ʾadam). Your example leaves out the vowel...
  2. Origen

    Did the very first Christians have the apocrypha in their Bible?

    I see your mistake. הָאָדָם is not "adamah." It is "ha-adam" = the man. The ה on the front of the noun is the article. The word you wrote was "adamah" and that is the word for "ground, dirt." The Hebrew word is אֲדָמָה. The ה on the end of the word shows it is a feminine noun.
  3. Origen

    Did the very first Christians have the apocrypha in their Bible?

    My question is what was your point? Why point out there were two Enoch?
  4. Origen

    Did the very first Christians have the apocrypha in their Bible?

    The phrase "sacred scriptures" does not appear near the reference to the person Judith. Give the citation in 1st Clement where it clearly calls the book of Judith is sacred scripture.
  5. Origen

    Did the very first Christians have the apocrypha in their Bible?

    Two question please: What is your point regarding the 2 Enochs? Do you believe "adamah" is Adam's name?
  6. Origen

    Well this is awkward...

    Better late than never. Hello!
  7. Origen

    Did the very first Christians have the apocrypha in their Bible?

    The book of 1st Clement doesn't actually quote the book of Judith and it certainly never called it Scripture. First Clement references the person Judith as an example of heroism but the book itself is not directly quoted. The book of 1st Clement uses the standard formula for citing Scripture...
  8. Origen

    Testing the spirits

    First, I was not quoting the NIV. However, the NIV does have the same idea that I offered and for good reason. Second, I gave two example: 1. "is not man’s gospel" and 2. "it is not the Gospel according to man," and neither are from the NIV. Others translations could also be provided...
  9. Origen

    JOHN 7:1 JESUS HAD BROTHERS

    Sorry, I left out the word "not" in my post. It should read "do NOT let."
  10. Origen

    JOHN 7:1 JESUS HAD BROTHERS

    Do not let the Greek thing bother you. The truth is N.T.\Greek scholars have argued both sides of this issue. For every scholar, anyone can provide, who claims it does not support the idea Mary had other children, another scholar can be provide who claims that it does support the view. What...
  11. Origen

    O.T. Canon Lists

    Before moving on there are certain points that need to be noted in regard to the above lists and the others lists provide in post 1 and post 2. (1) All the lists of the 4th century are very consistent with each other. (2) They are also very consistent with the lists of 1st, 2nd, and 3rd...
  12. Origen

    Testing the spirits

    The point is what the Greek text says\means and the point Paul is trying to emphasize and why.
  13. Origen

    Testing the spirits

    That's correct he didn't. Paul point is that he did not get his information from an earthly source, in other words a fallible source. The phrase "is not after man" (i.e. οὐκ ἔστιν κατὰ ἄνθρωπον) means he did not receive it from a mere human source. Another way to phrase that same idea is "it...
  14. Origen

    Testing the spirits

    Your example, by adding elements not found in the text, gave a false impression of what the texts actually states. You assume what you cannot prove.
  15. Origen

    Testing the spirits

    First you misrepresent what the text states. Now you claim it does not matter. Clearly Paul could not disagree more. Rom. 4:24 - It will be counted to us who believe in him who raised from the dead Jesus our Lord Rom. 6:4 - We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order...
  16. Origen

    Testing the spirits

    The only problem with that is it did not happen that way according to Paul. That is not what the text states. It says nothing about being blinded by Jesus in the clouds. You are simple adding elements that are not there. Acts 9:3-8 Now as he went on his way, he approached Damascus, and...
  17. Origen

    O.T. Canon Lists

    Five Hebrew letters have final forms (i.e. when they come at the end of a word they are written differently). Note that the letters Kaf, Mem, Nun, Pe, and Tasade have two forms. The second form of those letters only occurs on the end of a word.
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