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  1. Origen

    Ecclesiasticals VS Canonical

    Here we go again. So you have check all of them?
  2. Origen

    O.T. Canon Lists

    The first Latin father to provide a canon list was Hilary of Poitiers. Hilary of Poitiers - This list is dated to ca. A.D. 360. Genesis Exodus Leviticus Numbers Deuteronomy Joshua Judges Ruth 1-2 Samuel 1-2 Kings 1-2 Chronicles Ezra Esther Job Psalms Proverbs Ecclesiastes Song of Solomon...
  3. Origen

    Ecclesiasticals VS Canonical

    And some did not.
  4. Origen

    Ecclesiasticals VS Canonical

    So the answer is no you have not check ALL of them. Thanks
  5. Origen

    Ecclesiasticals VS Canonical

    Have you check them all?
  6. Origen

    Ecclesiasticals VS Canonical

    Then just don't make a claim for which you do not have the evidence or a source.
  7. Origen

    Ecclesiasticals VS Canonical

    Shouldn't you be the one to count them after all you make the claim? I don't think it is too much to ask someone to provide sources and verification for their claims.
  8. Origen

    Ecclesiasticals VS Canonical

    I know how to do a search. Then please explain how you came up with the figure over 300 quotes?
  9. Origen

    Ecclesiasticals VS Canonical

    The site you provide no where states there are over 300 quotes from the 1, 2, and 3 century. Do you have a source which can verify your specific claim there are over 300 quotes from the 1, 2, and 3 century?
  10. Origen

    Ecclesiasticals VS Canonical

    That does not answer my question. You said: Where in the Ante-Nicene Church Fathers does it actually state there are over 300 quotes from the 1, 2, and 3 century? Where exactly is that information found in your source? Volume and page number please?
  11. Origen

    Ecclesiasticals VS Canonical

    I have a question please. What is your source for the above claim?
  12. Origen

    If the prophecies in Daniel 8 cannot be understood without Maccabees, then doesn’t that prove Maccabees belongs in the Bible?

    Nevertheless your claim was demonstrably false and the historical sources prove it. I never claimed it did. No one believed, as far as I know, quoting non scripture necessarily made one a heretic. I believe what the evidence shows. I never made such a claim, and I certainly DO NOT believe...
  13. Origen

    If the prophecies in Daniel 8 cannot be understood without Maccabees, then doesn’t that prove Maccabees belongs in the Bible?

    Untrue! Not as canon they don't. Your claim is demonstrably false. We have lists from Melito, Cyril of Jerusalem, Athanasius of Alexandria, Gregory of Nazianzus, Amphilochius of Iconium, Epiphanius of Salamis, and Jerome and they do not agree. I follow the facts. Some thought they were...
  14. Origen

    If the prophecies in Daniel 8 cannot be understood without Maccabees, then doesn’t that prove Maccabees belongs in the Bible?

    I NEVER claimed they were. Therefore your point is moot. Moreover Rufinus is only one person and not everyone agreed with him. Some thought they were others did not. For example your source Rufinus did not and clearly says just that.
  15. Origen

    If the prophecies in Daniel 8 cannot be understood without Maccabees, then doesn’t that prove Maccabees belongs in the Bible?

    You have misunderstood Rufinus. When Rufinus states: "The other writings they have named Apocrypha" he does not mean the Ecclesiastical book. "But it should be known that there are also other books which our fathers call not “Canonical” but “Ecclesiastical:” that is to say, Wisdom, called the...
  16. Origen

    If the prophecies in Daniel 8 cannot be understood without Maccabees, then doesn’t that prove Maccabees belongs in the Bible?

    You said: The above comment makes no sense. No one said that as far as I can see.
  17. Origen

    O.T. quotes in the N.T.

    This is my eighth example. Hebrew Text הַךְ אֶת־הָרֹעֶה וּתְפוּצֶיןָ הַצֹּאן Zec. 13:7 - LXX πατάξατε τοὺς ποιμένας καὶ ἐκσπάσατε τὰ πρόβατα Strike the shepherds and draw out (remove) the sheep Matt. 26:31 πατάξω τὸν ποιμένα καὶ διασκορπισθήσονται τὰ πρόβατα τῆς ποίμνης I...
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