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What I want to know is WHY did the Puritans and Presbyterians in the early 1800’s lobby for the Bible societies to print Bibles without the Apocrypha? Why did they do that? What was their reasoning? And does their reasoning really hold up to scrutiny? Anybody know what the Puritans and...

You act as if you’re somehow disproving the quote that Andy provided. You’re not. Prior to the American Revolution, Bibles in America were imported from Europe. These imported Bibles contained the Apocrypha. When the Revolutionary war began, it interrupted trade with Britain, producing a...

You really don’t get it. The issue of the Apocrypha is directly linked with the issue of the Greek Septuagint. The New Testament quotes the Old Testament in a way that is consistent with the Septuagint and inconsistent with the Hebrew Masoretic. This is clear, undeniable evidence of Jewish...

Those church councils decided your New Testament. So again, you’re being dishonest.

Our apologetic is that the Jews removed things from the Bible, and that the very same church councils that decide YOUR New Testament books also decided the Old Testament books. It’s not just because one or two people quoted them at some time. Of course, you already know this. But you’re too...

The church councils DID include the Apocryphal books of Maccabees, Tobit, Judith, etc., in the canon lists. If that’s not your “measuring stick” then what is? The one the unbelieving Jews gave you? You’re blinded by the unbelieving Jews.

The reason there was two threads is because one thread agreed with the unbelieving Jews, and the other thread believed the truth that was handed down to them by the disciples of Jesus.

Church councils of Rome, Hippo, and Carthage DIDN’T canonize these. Can you explain which church councils canonized them?

The Apocryphal books are Jewish history. They’re not Catholic. The reason the early church accepted them as holy scripture is because Jesus’ Jewish disciples taught them so. That’s what all the evidence shows.

The Apocryphal books are Jewish history. They’re not Catholic.

3 early church councils. Not just 1 person. 3 early church councils declared the Apocryphal books divine canonical scripture. IN ADDITION to those councils, it’s ALSO true that Clement who KNEW PAUL personally, also quoted Judith as scripture WHICH IS IN AGREEMENT with what the church councils...

No, no, no. That’s not what I said. You’re twisting my words. That’s misrepresentation. I’m not saying that at all. You’re so dishonest. What I’m saying is that people should look at what the early church said, what the church councils said, because these early church councils accepted the...

“We’re looking at mustard seeds now, quite frankly. We call them mustard seeds. I don’t know what you call them, but we call them mustard seeds. But we’re looking at them. And we’re looking at them very closely. In fact, I think we’re looking at them closer than anyone has ever looked at them...

Mustard seeds under a high powered microscope. They’re so tiny and insignificant. We should probably pay them no heed. They probably have little significance in the Kingdom of God. Don’t mind them. Tiny little seeds. Pay no attention to the men behind the curtain.

Mustard seeds are so tiny.

Yea, those church councils were tiny. Oh so tiny. Microscopic, in fact. You wouldn’t even be able to observe those church councils without a high powered microscope. Nobody should pay attention to what 3 different church authorities said. Forget the principle of 2 or 3 witnesses. That’s such a...

Notice how Athanasius does NOT include Esther in the canonical list. But then he DOES include Esther in the NON-canonical list. Do you agree with Athanasius? If so, then you better open up your Bible and rip out the book of Esther and throw that in the trash right along with Tobit and Judith...

Athanasius lived in Alexandria, Egypt. Alexandria at the time was the largest concentration of Jews in the world. Just like New York City today is the largest urban population of Jews in the world within a city proper, Alexandria was, in a way, the New York City of the ancient world. No other...

Your posts 260 and 268 say absolutely nothing about Clement or Judith. Huh???

America is offensive now? What about if someone mentions the African country of Niger? Is that off limits? Looks too much like the “N” word. Might offend some people.