Are you saved? And if so, by whom and/or by what?

[ImaginaryDay2]

As queried by another poster:

I guess the question is, are you saved? And if so, by whom and/or by what?

Thoughts?

 

[Rens]

https://youtu.be/CcjuC016c68

 

[Lamb]

As queried by another poster:



Thoughts?

I'm saved only by the grace of God through faith and none of it was my doing. He saved me by coming to earth in the form of man, living the perfectly obedient life I could not and died on the cross for the forgiveness of my sins. The Holy Spirit worked through the word to give me the gift of faith so that I may have eternal life.

 

[Brighten04]

I am saved. Jesus saved me completely and filled me with the Holy Ghost.

 

[Lamb]

I am saved. Jesus saved me completely and filled me with the Holy Ghost.

What happened to the role you said you play in salvation?

 

[Brighten04]

What happened to the role you said you play in salvation?

I repented as Jesus instructed me to do.And as Peter instructed.

Matthew 3:2
And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Acts 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Lamm, I don't understand why you are dragging this debate to this thread. We disagree. Leave it alone. I will not continue so be a big girl and let it rest. OK?

 

[Lamb]

I repented as Jesus instructed me to do.And as Peter instructed.

Matthew 3:2
And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Acts 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Lamm, I don't understand why you are dragging this debate to this thread. We disagree. Leave it alone. I will not continue so be a big girl and let it rest. OK?

This is a discussion board, that's why I keep asking.

At what point do you believe you were a converted believer? Prior to your repentance or after? How do you believe you were converted?

These are all very important questions.

You see, nonbelievers cannot repent. You say you repented and you played a role in your salvation. But only those who have faith can turn to God. If you have faith then you have salvation. Your repentance is what God wants but it's not that condition you think it is for salvation the way you're stating it. Your repentance isn't the cause of your salvation. It's the action of the Holy Spirit who gave you faith to believe and turned you to Him in repentance. Faith is a gift of the Holy Spirit. Do you see it now?

 

[Brighten04]

I came to Jesus as I was
I was weary worn and sad
I found in Him a resting Place
Now He has made me glad

 

[Josiah]

GOD saved me in Christ.

Christ came to me - lost, dead. And in grace, gave me life/faith/salvation.

It's easy to trust/rely ENTIRELY in Christ and HIS work and gift. If I'm even 1% of it.... if it depends even 1% on my thoughts, feelings, works, contributions then I would have unbearable, horrible terror because I know me.



- Josiah

 

[user1234]

As queried by another poster:



Thoughts?

My thoughts are this OP question was not posed or intended by me, Snerfle, to be a thread starter, and if ImaginaryDay2 wanted to start a thread asking this question, he could have done so himself without chopping and lifting part of one of my posts from another thread,
where the question was posed to those who were insisting that water-baptism is a 'regenerative process' as stated by the OP'er, and that we're not saved without it, as stated by others.

My thoughts are that it's interesting that the OP'er chose not to answer the question directly when posed during the discussion in the other thread, but instead chose a diversion and used it to start another thread to ask it of everyone else.

My thoughts are LET THE RECORD SHOW SNERFLE DID NOT START NOR INTEND TO START THIS THREAD, THIS THREAD WAS STARTED BY ImaginaryDay2 .

I have other thoughts also. :=D:
BELIEVE on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved!
Enjoy your weekend.

 

[ImaginaryDay2]

[MENTION=333]Snerfle[/MENTION] - the question was at the end of a rant (since you didn't/couldn't see fit to respond appropriately to my post re:baptism), and was off topic. So, a new thread. I provided the link to where it came from. So far, it's moving along fine.

 

[TurtleHare]

Romans 9:16 It does not, therefore, depend on man’s desire or effort, but on God’s mercy.

Nuff said

 

[atpollard]

This is a discussion board, that's why I keep asking.
At what point do you believe you were a converted believer? Prior to your repentance or after? How do you believe you were converted?

These are all very important questions.

You see, nonbelievers cannot repent. You say you repented and you played a role in your salvation. But only those who have faith can turn to God. If you have faith then you have salvation. Your repentance is what God wants but it's not that condition you think it is for salvation the way you're stating it. Your repentance isn't the cause of your salvation. It's the action of the Holy Spirit who gave you faith to believe and turned you to Him in repentance. Faith is a gift of the Holy Spirit. Do you see it now?

Actually, they are not really important questions to this particular topic:

"Are you saved?"
You of all people should appreciate that the beliefs of the elect on who made the first move and where the line between justification and sanctification is drawn by men has no authority on the decisions of God. God saves whom he saves for reasons of His own council. So your comments have no bearing on this first question. "Is Jesus really the Christ?" & "Did Jesus really rise from the dead?" are questions that will impact the question "Are you saved?" "What part did God play and what part did you play?" is not an issue that imapcts salvation.

The Moravian Church has a really good motto: "In essentials unity. In non-essentials liberty. In all things charity."
We get into trouble as the Body of Christ when we treat non-essentials as essentials and demand unity in situations where we should be extending liberty and charity.

"And if so, by whom and/or by what?"
Here your questions and comments are at least relevant, although one might debate whether or not they are important. Let me be blunt, hopefully without giving unintended offense: John Doe believes that he chose to respond to God's call to repentence and then God forgave him and granted him forgiveness, and Jane Doe believes that God first granted her faith and forgiveness, and then she was able to repent. Will either the beliefs of John or Jane enable or prevent God from saving them? Will either belief prevent them from praising God or trusting in Christ or receiving the Holy Spirit?

If these beliefs, at least one of which must be wrong, cannot prevent either salvation or sanctification, then can they be "ESSENTIAL" and demand unity?

 

[Wilhemena]

I am saved and it was by Jesus and I am not quite 2,000 years old to remember it but the cross is where my Redeemer earned salvation so that is my answer and Praise God that He gave His only begotten Son to die. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. John 8:36

 

[JRT]

As queried by another poster:



Thoughts?

The first question is one of clarification ---- "Saved from what?"

 

[MoreCoffee]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxpIdN6Jwzo

Bob Dylan did it better

 

[user1234]

@Snerfle - the question was at the end of a rant (since you didn't/couldn't see fit to respond appropriately to my post re:baptism), and was off topic. So, a new thread. I provided the link to where it came from. So far, it's moving along fine.

It wasn't any rant, you flamer, it was a question posed in another thread, WHICH YOU FAILED TO ANSWER, but instead you used to start a new thread with and attached my name to as if I was starting the thread.
I, SNERFLE, DISASSOCIATE MYSELF FROM THE OP OF THIS THREAD, IT WAS STARTED BY ImaginaryDay2 under false pretenses. If you wanted to start a thread asking those salvation questions, you could have done so yourself without co-opting my question from the midst of an ongoing discussion in another thread.
I, SNERFLE, ASK THE ADMINS TO PLEASE REMOVE MY NAME AND QUESTION FROM THE OP AND CORRECT IT TO BE ASKED BY ImaginaryDay2 IN THE OP.

 

[Josiah]

I repented as Jesus instructed me to do.And as Peter instructed.

Then...... were you saved by what Jesus did AND by what you did? He did his part.... you did yours? By His Cross and by your repentance?

IF that's true, IF that's your position, then....

1. Is Jesus THE Savior? Or is He X percent the Savior and you are X percent the Savior - neither THE Savior but both PART Savior?

2. Does Jesus actually have some role OTHER than being the Savior? Might He be the one who makes you salvation POSSIBLE, the "Possibility-Maker?" He "opened the door" to heaven for you but you actually are the one who goes through it? Or is He the Enabler, giving more than sufficient strength for us to be saved but we gotta sufficiently "tap" it?


OR..... Are you saying that Jesus gave you faith, life, the Holy Spririt, salvation..... and THEN (in response, as one now alive and believing) you repented?

OR.... are you saying that Jesus' divine miracle of pure grace GAVE you the "free gift of faith, it's not your doing but the gift of God" and that that's somehow associated with repentance but that repentance is not at all the cause of it?

Matthew 3:2
And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Acts 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

IMO, it's already been soundly shown that these two premises are false.

1) It is NOT true that the word "AND" mandates a sequence of chronology. That's illogical and a violation of very simple grammar. The word is "and" not "then." This premise is founded on deleting the word quoted and replacing it with an entirely different word nowhere found in the sentence. ANY false idea can be defended if we delete the word actually there and replace it with an entirely different one. I don't deny that justification is ASSOCIATED with dozens and dozens of things ('and') I only question if OUR performance of all those dozens of things is what causes justification (making Jesus irrelevant and meaning we are justified by our words, not Christ's.... justified by our performances and accomplishments rather than by Jesus').

2. That being called means THEREFORE we must be able to respond to that call.... and if it's done, its our doing. I gave the example of Lazarus being raised from the dead. Consider that the dead are also told to be absolutely perfect - can dead people be morally perfect simply because God tells them to be?


???????????



- Josiah

 

[user1234]

God throws a rope around a dead and unrepentant evil sinner, drags him (or her, no favoritism) into the water, where he holds the person under until they yell 'glurgle uncle' , at which time, He kicks open a door and shoves the person through it, thereby ALMOST securing their salvation.

ALMOST, because even though they weren't free to NOT be saved :hypnotized: , NOW they are free to UNSAVE themselves by choice. :boggled: Gosh, religionism is fun! :=D:

 

[Brighten04]

God throws a rope around a dead and unrepentant evil sinner, drags him (or her, no favoritism) into the water, where he holds the person under until they yell 'glurgle uncle' , at which time, He kicks open a door and shoves the person through it, thereby ALMOST securing their salvation.

ALMOST, because even though they weren't free to NOT be saved :hypnotized: , NOW they are free to UNSAVE themselves by choice. :boggled: Gosh, religionism is fun! :=D:

:rofl3: