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Yes, but not people in New York city. They will see it after it is no longer visible in Perth.

The point is, it is not possible for people in Australia to see the moon at the same time as people in the Netherlands - on a Globe. The Netherlands is about 150 degrees away, just 30 degrees short of being the exact opposite side of the plane-t, at least from Victoria. Either the moon is on "our side", moving out of our vision then eventually comes into the vision of people in the Netherlands - but it cannot be that we see the moon during several of the same hours. Not on a Globe, we cannot.
 

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I can see both Perth and the Netherlands on this globe

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I can see both Perth and the Netherlands on this globe

Not Victoria, though. I can't see the Netherlands clearly on that globe, I have to imagine it, as I only see a sliver of it.

I just now went out to look at the moon. Mostly a western direction, slightly north. So, WNW. At about 7 degrees.
 

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And I woke up at 7.15 this morning and the first thing I saw was the moon. I was like: wow! it's so red and big today! Oh wait...

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The moon going under in Holland.
 

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And I woke up at 7.15 this morning and the first thing I saw was the moon. I was like: wow! it's so red and big today! Oh wait...

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The moon going under in Holland.

Moonset here at 00:28, that's about 1 hour 35 minutes from now. The moon has already set for Stravinsk.
 

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Hey the moon and sun circling above the earth isn't Biblical. It goes down, seen from here.

Joshua 10:12-13
Then Joshua spoke to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the sons of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, "O sun, stand still at Gibeon, And O moon in the valley of Aijalon." So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, Until the nation avenged themselves of their enemies Is it not written in the book of Jashar? And the sun stopped in the middle of the sky and did not hasten to go down for about a whole day.
 

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And I woke up at 7.15 this morning and the first thing I saw was the moon. I was like: wow! it's so red and big today! Oh wait...

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The moon going under in Holland.
Thanks, Rens, that's so cool. And I never knew it could go sideways, but now that I think of it, I guess it has to go sideways first, in order to go underneath. Really cool! :cool:

Hey the moon and sun circling above the earth isn't Biblical. It goes down, seen from here.

Joshua 10:12-13
Then Joshua spoke to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the sons of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, "O sun, stand still at Gibeon, And O moon in the valley of Aijalon." So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, Until the nation avenged themselves of their enemies Is it not written in the book of Jashar? And the sun stopped in the middle of the sky and did not hasten to go down for about a whole day.
There you go, that proves it!
Also, for the sun to stop in the middle of the sky, it first had to measure the sky from end to end, and then divide in half, and stop there. Neato! MathScience is very much fun and infirming.
Thanks! :=D:
 

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I can see both Perth and the Netherlands on this globe

638831main_globe_east_2048.jpg

Not Victoria, though. I can't see the Netherlands clearly on that globe, I have to imagine it, as I only see a sliver of it.

I just now went out to look at the moon. Mostly a western direction, slightly north. So, WNW. At about 7 degrees.
I see a one-eyed buffalo wearing a kerchief-cap like the old-time cook ladies, sorta like Aunt Jemima.
 

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NASA's Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO) recently captured a unique view of Earth from the spacecraft's vantage point in orbit around the moon.

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NASA's Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO) recently captured a unique view of Earth from the spacecraft's vantage point in orbit around the moon.

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Cool! I never realized it was flat on the bottom like that. I guess that's to keep it from rolling off the 'shelf'. Thanks! :D
 

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The point is, it is not possible for people in Australia to see the moon at the same time as people in the Netherlands - on a Globe. The Netherlands is about 150 degrees away, just 30 degrees short of being the exact opposite side of the plane-t, at least from Victoria. Either the moon is on "our side", moving out of our vision then eventually comes into the vision of people in the Netherlands - but it cannot be that we see the moon during several of the same hours. Not on a Globe, we cannot.

It has to come up here when it goes under there.
I have a telescope, but I dunno how it works.
 

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It has to come up here when it goes under there.
I have a telescope, but I dunno how it works.
I think you look through the skinny end and see out the fat end.:glasses:
 

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I can see both Perth and the Netherlands on this globe

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okay, now I see a darker bunny 'pushing' a lighter bunny from behind, left to right, except the lighter bunny has more of a parrot-head, and a blue eye. And may be 'squawking'.
 

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Hey the moon and sun circling above the earth isn't Biblical. It goes down, seen from here.

Joshua 10:12-13
Then Joshua spoke to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the sons of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, "O sun, stand still at Gibeon, And O moon in the valley of Aijalon." So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, Until the nation avenged themselves of their enemies Is it not written in the book of Jashar? And the sun stopped in the middle of the sky and did not hasten to go down for about a whole day.

https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/jos/10/1/t_conc_197013

Have a look at H935. Top definitions are "come", "bring" "in" "enter" "go". Not "down".

This is the same word applied to the sun "going down" elsewhere. :)
 

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okay, now I see a darker bunny 'pushing' a lighter bunny from behind, left to right, except the lighter bunny has more of a parrot-head, and a blue eye. And may be 'squawking'.
How is it no one else sees that?! :crazy:

https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/jos/10/1/t_conc_197013

Have a look at H935. Top definitions are "come", "bring" "in" "enter" "go". Not "down".

This is the same word applied to the sun "going down" elsewhere. :)
That is interesting, I'll give you that. But how does that prove a flat earth, or disprove a round one?
 

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That is interesting, I'll give you that. But how does that prove a flat earth, or disprove a round one?

It doesn't. I merely showed that the word doesn't prove the sun "goes down" in the literal sense, as was an argument used on the last page to 'prove' earth was not flat.

Btw, if we want to get into biblical proofs...there are plenty for a stationless, flat earth with the sun and moon attached to the firmament, and 0 for the Globe model. :)
 

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It doesn't. I merely showed that the word doesn't prove the sun "goes down" in the literal sense, as was an argument used on the last page to 'prove' earth was not flat.

Btw, if we want to get into biblical proofs...there are plenty for a stationless, flat earth with the sun and moon attached to the firmament, and 0 for the Globe model. :)
Oh. Hmm, I think, though, that it's still a common expression that the sun goes down in the evening, comes up in the morning, etc., similar to saying when a hot-air balloon 'rises' we say it's going up, up and away ..... But if we see it or a plane or something crashing, we say it's going (or coming) down. Even if we lose sight of it 'behing the horizon', we still say it went down.

I don't know how much specific words are intended to convey a scientific fact in all cases when we read them in the bible, as much as they often are used to convey a simple truth that as many ppl as possible might be able to comprehend, as well as using the language and the understanding at the time they were written. There may be exceptions, but as a general rule..... Just like 50 years ago a computer specialist might have known what 'megabytes' were, but most folks might not, and if someone was writing about their computer, they might have just written the word 'data' or something.
Maybe a poor example, but I'm just saying that sometimes the words are just a reflection of the language and understanding of the times, not necessarily making a hard and fast modern-day scientific declaration.
 

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Expressions like "sun rise" and "sun set" are observational. The sun rises in the sky from the viewer's perspective. The fact is different. What is happening is that the earth's rotation on its own axis is bringing the sun into view at "sun rise" and the same rotation on its own axis takes the sun from view at "sun set".
 

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Expressions like "sun rise" and "sun set" are observational. The sun rises in the sky from the viewer's perspective. The fact is different. What is happening is that the earth's rotation on its own axis is bringing the sun into view at "sun rise" and the same rotation on its own axis takes the sun from view at "sun set".


Earth rotation is not necessary to clearly see the lamps on the left side of this picture getting smaller and shorter in appearance as we follow them into distance, while they are actually staying the same size the whole distance down:



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People don't apply this to the sun and do not take atmospheric refraction into mind because they are brainwashed with the spinning globe from early ages and throughout their life. The lamps going down is perspective, the sun going down is the earth's rotation, so we are told.
 
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Careful measurement of the diameter of the sun and moon as seen from earth reveals that the size does not vary through the day for the sun and through the night for the moon.
 
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