Do you use the law or morals to justify punishing people for their faults.

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Do you use the law or morals to justify punishing people for their faults.
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Do you think that Paul would mistreat somebody because they were - for example - pagan?
Some ppl engage in all kinds of sin and stupidity when they're bored, lonely, sinister ..... Doyou really think Paul was like that?
 

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Some ppl engage in all kinds of sin and stupidity when they're bored, lonely, sinister ..... Doyou really think Paul was like that?

I have no idea what you're writing about.
 

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Do you think that Paul would mistreat somebody because they were - for example - pagan?

You mean like doing things like calling themselves a believer and sleeping with his father's wife in the name of Christian freedom? Yeah, I think he might 'mistreat' someone like that (assuming that we accept public confrontation and excommunication as 'mistreat'.)
I think Paul was far more likely to 'mistreat' false teachers. like the Judiaisers that he suggested that rather than circumcising gentiles, they should just go and emasculate themselves!
He also had a tendency to 'mistreat' brothers in Christ who he saw as unreliable or hypocrites, like his public confrontation of Peter's hypocrisy with Jewish and Gentile Christians, and his fight with Barnabas over who to bring on the second journey (although these may have been character flaws, since Paul was not Jesus and, therefore Paul was imperfect).

Now to the question, would Paul mistreat an unsaved pagan because they were a pagan, no.

1 Corinthians 9:19-23 [NKJV]
For though I am free from all men, I have made myself a servant to all, that I might win the more; and to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might win Jews; to those who are under the law, as under the law, that I might win those who are under the law; to those who are without law, as without law (not being without law toward God, but under law toward Christ), that I might win those who are without law; to the weak I became as weak, that I might win the weak. I have become all things to all men, that I might by all means save some. Now this I do for the gospel’s sake, that I may be partaker of it with you.
 

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Not exactly. I mean mistreat as in seek to have them arrested, punished, hurt. Like in Iran when a Sufi Muslim is arrested and mistreated because he/she is a Sufi. The same applies to Baha'i folk in Iran. In the USA being black in some jurisdictions means the police will arrest and maybe kill you if somebody phones up to complain ... "there's a suspicious looking chap loitering in the park". Many groups attract such attention. Inside Christian communities, meetings, churches gossip and rumour can harm a person's reputation even so far as to drive to desperation. That is the sort of things I am writing about.
 

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Do you think that Paul would mistreat somebody because they were - for example - pagan?

Do you use the law or morals to justify punishing people for their faults.

Not exactly. I mean mistreat as in seek to have them arrested, punished, hurt. Like in Iran when a Sufi Muslim is arrested and mistreated because he/she is a Sufi. The same applies to Baha'i folk in Iran. In the USA being black in some jurisdictions means the police will arrest and maybe kill you if somebody phones up to complain ... "there's a suspicious looking chap loitering in the park". Many groups attract such attention. Inside Christian communities, meetings, churches gossip and rumour can harm a person's reputation even so far as to drive to desperation. That is the sort of things I am writing about.
Gee, so glad you're not an atagonist or instigator or anything there [staff edit].
 
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It's true. It happens here too btw.

https://youtu.be/YvRJvgxbeyA

The white one with the bike: oh are you fixing a bike? Can I help?
A black one: must be a thief.
$\#/≥¢ is ok for some? Hmmm.
I could find hundreds of examples to try to prove all kinds of nonsense on all sides of any discussion. What really is the point of this OPs thread, though, except in keeping with the typical theme of instigation and antagonism?
 

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God is said to have concern about the things people say and what they approve
  • When you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not reap your field right up to its edge, neither shall you gather the gleanings after your harvest. And you shall not strip your vineyard bare, neither shall you gather the fallen grapes of your vineyard. You shall leave them for the poor and for the sojourner: I am the LORD your God.
  • You shall not steal; you shall not deal falsely; you shall not lie to one another. You shall not swear by my name falsely, and so profane the name of your God: I am the LORD.
  • You shall not oppress your neighbor or rob him. The wages of a hired worker shall not remain with you all night until the morning. You shall not curse the deaf or put a stumbling block before the blind, but you shall fear your God: I am the LORD.
  • You shall do no injustice in court. You shall not be partial to the poor or defer to the great, but in righteousness shall you judge your neighbor. You shall not go around as a slanderer among your people, and you shall not stand up against the life of your neighbor: I am the LORD.
  • You shall not hate your brother in your heart, but you shall reason frankly with your neighbor, lest you incur sin because of him. You shall not take vengeance or bear a grudge against the sons of your own people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the LORD.
[SUP]Leviticus 19:9-18[/SUP]​
 

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Not exactly. I mean mistreat as in seek to have them arrested, punished, hurt. Like in Iran when a Sufi Muslim is arrested and mistreated because he/she is a Sufi. The same applies to Baha'i folk in Iran. In the USA being black in some jurisdictions means the police will arrest and maybe kill you if somebody phones up to complain ... "there's a suspicious looking chap loitering in the park". Many groups attract such attention. Inside Christian communities, meetings, churches gossip and rumour can harm a person's reputation even so far as to drive to desperation. That is the sort of things I am writing about.

I don't get it, don't we want criminals arrested who do wrong against us and our families because if they're out there doing things to other people don't you want them to stop doing that or do you turn the other cheek and let them go on a rampage? Have you been to America and seen police killing the suspicious doing nothing at all because someone phoned in with a complaint or has Hollywood gotten the best of you and now you think that the men in blue are the criminals instead of the protectors because that's your accusation? Now onto your last part about the Christians, oh yeah, those lousy Christians who don't have communities to preach the Savior but only go there to hurt their neighbors, are those the ones in America too or you got them in Oz land where they gossip and hurt reputations because they're Christians and that's what they do? Ya know that's what your post sounds like in complaining all about everyone who is so vindictive and the world has gone to pot but look around and for every bad guy you think you see take a look at his good deeds, you can't see them, maybe cuz your too busy judging.
 
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