Do you use the law or morals to justify punishing people for their faults.

[MoreCoffee]

Do you use the law or morals to justify punishing people for their faults.

 

[Lamb]

What kind of faults? I'm guessing you don't mean sins.

 

[Cassia]

Do you use the law or morals to justify punishing people for their faults.

Biblically my thought would be the same as removing the log from one's own eye or casting the first stone. Beyond that I pay no attention.

 

[Rens]

Do you use the law or morals to justify punishing people for their faults.

Yes well a bit. People who keep on killing should be kept away. It's insane that they let them loose after a year to kill the next and although I must forgive bike ruiners and that guy who sets the place on fire in our apt every year, they are rather annoying, but oh well, there's nothing they do about it.

 

[user1234]

Do you use the law or morals to justify punishing people for their faults.

Why do you want to suggest justifying punishing ppl for having faults?

Yes well a bit. People who keep on killing should be kept away. It's insane that they let them loose after a year to kill the next and although I must forgive bike ruiners and that guy who sets the place on fire in our apt every year, they are rather annoying, but oh well, there's nothing they do about it.

Yes, crime should be dealt with accordingly. Hopefully it will be dealt with soon. I will have more insight and closer contacts in time. Praying in the meantime ..... vandals and arsonists should be removed from society at least until rehabilitation and/or justice is met. Please be careful, Rens. Praying for yous. :hug:

 

[MoreCoffee]

What if people consider skin colour a fault?

What about cases like being "same sex attracted"?

Do you use the law and morals to justify punishing such people?

 

[Rens]

What if people consider skin colour a fault?

What about cases like being "same sex attracted"?

Do you use the law and morals to justify punishing such people?

No of course not. One idiot on a Dutch forum wanted gays killed, death penalty. He got banned. I said yeah great idea, youre right the OT says it, hey it also says girls who arent virgin before marriage should be stoned, adulterers and if you lust its the same as doing it said Jesus. Let's just throw a bomb on everyone. That's easier.

 

[Lamb]

What if people consider skin colour a fault?

What about cases like being "same sex attracted"?

Do you use the law and morals to justify punishing such people?

As Christians we are to love our neighbors. We also should give them law when they do wrong. There are actions that mankind takes that society says is not wrong but God already judged it to be wrong. Then what?

 

[user1234]

What if people consider skin colour a fault?

What about cases like being "same sex attracted"?

Do you use the law and morals to justify punishing such people?

Why don't you answer the question?

Why do you want to suggest justifying punishing ppl for having faults?

Perhaps some ppl are just deliberately morons.

Maybe some would suggest stoning for stupidity.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Well snerfle, I do not think it is right to use the law or religion to justify punishing people for things like skin colour or sexuality.

 

[atpollard]

Do you use the law or morals to justify punishing people for their faults.

I'm guessing "naw, I do it just because it is fun" ... would be an inappropriate answer.

 

[MoreCoffee]

I'm guessing "naw, I do it just because it is fun" ... would be an inappropriate answer.

It's an amusing answer

 

[user1234]

Well snerfle, I do not think it is right to use the law or religion to justify punishing people for things like skin colour or sexuality.

Why do you consider skin color to be a fault?

And what do you mean by 'sexuality' ?

Seems like an odd term to use here in the context of your OP.

And why do you consider 'sexuality' to be a fault as well?

 

[MoreCoffee]

Why do you consider skin color to be a fault?

I don't

And what do you mean by 'sexuality' ?

One's sexual orientation.

Seems like an odd term to use here in the context of your OP.

And why do you consider 'sexuality' to be a fault as well?

I don't.

 

[user1234]

I don'tOne's sexual orientation. I don't.

That's very good. So why do you want to suggest justifying punishing ppl for having 'faults' ?
And just which faults do you refer to, then?

 

[atpollard]

Do you use the law or morals to justify punishing people for their faults.

Since everyone else already took the 'negative' side of this discussion, I guess that leaves me with the 'affirmative' position (or else it is not really much of a discussion).

2 Timothy 3:1-5
1 But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. 2 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people.


It sounds like Paul had in mind that some people should be punished for some 'faults'.



1 Corinthians 6:18-20
18 Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body. 19 Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20 you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies.

What action, if any, should we take if one of the body is acting on their desires for 'sexual immorality'?
Is the right thing to do nothing while the temple of the Holy Spirit is being dishonored?

It is easy to SAY we should love everyone and judge no one, but that is not what the actual word of God teaches.

Matthew 18:15-17
15 “If your brother or sister[fn] sins,[fn] go and point out their fault, just between the two of you. If they listen to you, you have won them over. 16 But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’[fn] 17 If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.

1 Corinthians 5:1-5
1 It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that even pagans do not tolerate: A man is sleeping with his father’s wife. 2 And you are proud! Shouldn’t you rather have gone into mourning and have put out of your fellowship the man who has been doing this? 3 For my part, even though I am not physically present, I am with you in spirit. As one who is present with you in this way, I have already passed judgment in the name of our Lord Jesus on the one who has been doing this. 4 So when you are assembled and I am with you in spirit, and the power of our Lord Jesus is present, 5 hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh,[fn][fn] so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord.

 

[popsthebuilder]

Do you use the law or morals to justify punishing people for their faults.

No. You cannot morally punish another. The only justice that will ever amount to good is mercy.

You can help them.

That isn't to say I avocate for the freedom of actual criminals, because I do not.

peace

faith in selfless unity for good

 

[user1234]

Great post atpollard #16 ! You intolerant narrow-minded bigot you, :=D: lol .
I guess I better point out Im only kidding before the twisted-thought-police run in and report me.
One good thing to remember in those verses also, is the Lord is talking about those in Christ, brothers in the faith. The law of God doesn't really apply, or should I say, it applies differently, to the world and it's system. It's not really up to the church to punish unbelievers for their 'faults'. The passage from 2Tim3 is more an assessment by Paul of the way things are in the world, and an exhortation for us not to engage in those things or with those who practice (as a lifestyle) those things.
The other passages, yes, they show how believers should be dealt with in the sense of church discipline for the good of the body of believers and the parties involved involved.
You are right, atpollard, we're not called to turn a blind eye, but encourage each other into love and truth. We should WANT to see our brother/sister restored, to see them made whole, for their own sake and Jesus' , to God be the glory.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Since everyone else already took the 'negative' side of this discussion, I guess that leaves me with the 'affirmative' position (or else it is not really much of a discussion).

2 Timothy 3:1-5
1 But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. 2 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people.


It sounds like Paul had in mind that some people should be punished for some 'faults'.



1 Corinthians 6:18-20
18 Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body. 19 Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20 you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies.

What action, if any, should we take if one of the body is acting on their desires for 'sexual immorality'?
Is the right thing to do nothing while the temple of the Holy Spirit is being dishonored?

It is easy to SAY we should love everyone and judge no one, but that is not what the actual word of God teaches.

Matthew 18:15-17
15 “If your brother or sister[fn] sins,[fn] go and point out their fault, just between the two of you. If they listen to you, you have won them over. 16 But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’[fn] 17 If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.

1 Corinthians 5:1-5
1 It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that even pagans do not tolerate: A man is sleeping with his father’s wife. 2 And you are proud! Shouldn’t you rather have gone into mourning and have put out of your fellowship the man who has been doing this? 3 For my part, even though I am not physically present, I am with you in spirit. As one who is present with you in this way, I have already passed judgment in the name of our Lord Jesus on the one who has been doing this. 4 So when you are assembled and I am with you in spirit, and the power of our Lord Jesus is present, 5 hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh,[fn][fn] so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord.

Do you think that Paul would mistreat somebody because they were - for example - pagan?

 

[psalms 91]

We do not judge those outside but those in the body we are to judge. Punishment if done correctly should be with the goal of reforming the eprson, not punishment for the sake of vengence or any other motive.