False teachers

[visionary]

Let's look at it this way. We all see through a mirror dark. We all fall short. We all have seen some light. We all share what we know. We all are looking to Him who can save us. We all are blessed to know that Yeshua died on the cross in fulfillment of the sacrificial system that educated humans the method and procedure of sin removal. It starts with the coming to the cross, which was the lamb taken to the altar of sacrifice in the temple, and there sins were confessed upon its head and die in our place. The sins confessed with the blood of the lamb were then taken by the priest, whom we now know is Yeshua our High Priest in the heavenly courts, who pleads His blood before our Heavenly Father. There the blood is sprinkled on the altar of incense, which Revelation reveals where the prayers of the saints are. On Yom Kippur, the great day of atonement, sins recorded in the temple are purged. Once purged they are no more, no more to be remembered, no more to be accused of, no more hold of guilt upon the repentant soul, and restoration, overcome, transfiguration occurs.

As far as the false teachers are concerned, there are many, but our eyes are not to be on them, but on Him who can truly save us. Once we see scripture in conflict with man, pray about it, and be convicted in the heart by God that it is so or is not. Even Balaam spoke truth though he was for the opposing team.

 

[psalms 91]

Let's look at it this way. We all see through a mirror dark. We all fall short. We all have seen some light. We all share what we know. We all are looking to Him who can save us. We all are blessed to know that Yeshua died on the cross in fulfillment of the sacrificial system that educated humans the method and procedure of sin removal. It starts with the coming to the cross, which was the lamb taken to the altar of sacrifice in the temple, and there sins were confessed upon its head and die in our place. The sins confessed with the blood of the lamb were then taken by the priest, whom we now know is Yeshua our High Priest in the heavenly courts, who pleads His blood before our Heavenly Father. There the blood is sprinkled on the altar of incense, which Revelation reveals where the prayers of the saints are. On Yom Kippur, the great day of atonement, sins recorded in the temple are purged. Once purged they are no more, no more to be remembered, no more to be accused of, no more hold of guilt upon the repentant soul, and restoration, overcome, transfiguration occurs.

As far as the false teachers are concerned, there are many, but our eyes are not to be on them, but on Him who can truly save us. Once we see scripture in conflict with man, pray about it, and be convicted in the heart by God that it is so or is not. Even Balaam spoke truth though he was for the opposing team.

Truth, thank you for wisdom

 

[Lamb]

We need to mark and avoid false teachers, which is why we call them out

 

[Hammster]

Let's look at it this way. We all see through a mirror dark. We all fall short. We all have seen some light. We all share what we know. We all are looking to Him who can save us. We all are blessed to know that Yeshua died on the cross in fulfillment of the sacrificial system that educated humans the method and procedure of sin removal. It starts with the coming to the cross, which was the lamb taken to the altar of sacrifice in the temple, and there sins were confessed upon its head and die in our place. The sins confessed with the blood of the lamb were then taken by the priest, whom we now know is Yeshua our High Priest in the heavenly courts, who pleads His blood before our Heavenly Father. There the blood is sprinkled on the altar of incense, which Revelation reveals where the prayers of the saints are. On Yom Kippur, the great day of atonement, sins recorded in the temple are purged. Once purged they are no more, no more to be remembered, no more to be accused of, no more hold of guilt upon the repentant soul, and restoration, overcome, transfiguration occurs.

As far as the false teachers are concerned, there are many, but our eyes are not to be on them, but on Him who can truly save us. Once we see scripture in conflict with man, pray about it, and be convicted in the heart by God that it is so or is not. Even Balaam spoke truth though he was for the opposing team.

We should also warn people about those who teach blasphemy. Some people don't recognize it, as evidenced by those who support Hinn, Copeland, Meyers, et al.


Sent from my iPhone using my right thumb.

 

[tango]

Let's look at it this way. We all see through a mirror dark. We all fall short. We all have seen some light. We all share what we know. We all are looking to Him who can save us. We all are blessed to know that Yeshua died on the cross in fulfillment of the sacrificial system that educated humans the method and procedure of sin removal. It starts with the coming to the cross, which was the lamb taken to the altar of sacrifice in the temple, and there sins were confessed upon its head and die in our place. The sins confessed with the blood of the lamb were then taken by the priest, whom we now know is Yeshua our High Priest in the heavenly courts, who pleads His blood before our Heavenly Father. There the blood is sprinkled on the altar of incense, which Revelation reveals where the prayers of the saints are. On Yom Kippur, the great day of atonement, sins recorded in the temple are purged. Once purged they are no more, no more to be remembered, no more to be accused of, no more hold of guilt upon the repentant soul, and restoration, overcome, transfiguration occurs.

As far as the false teachers are concerned, there are many, but our eyes are not to be on them, but on Him who can truly save us. Once we see scripture in conflict with man, pray about it, and be convicted in the heart by God that it is so or is not. Even Balaam spoke truth though he was for the opposing team.

This is true up to a point, the crucial issue is whether a false teacher is fundamentally teaching a different gospel or merely wide of the mark on an issue that doesn't matter.

If we disagree with someone over an issue where the Bible is silent, or on an issue of relatively low importance, we can reasonably say that we all see through a glass darkly.

Where teachers are presenting a different Jesus, a different gospel, we need to follow the Scriptural call to mark and avoid them. There's no point preaching the gospel and leading people into the church if we're then just going to leave them at the mercy of teachers who would immediately lead them astray.

Another reason I highlight false teaching and name names wherever appropriate is due to part of my own journey to Christ. I found an e-book online written by Ronald Weinland, who at the time claimed to be one of the two witnesses mentioned in the Revelation (I say "at the time" because subsequently he wrote that if a particular event didn't occur he would admit he was a false prophet, the event didn't occur, and I stopped reading his stuff them so don't know if he kept his promise). I read the book, and wondered whether Mr Weinland was teaching truth or falsehood so Googled his name. Most of the links I found were his own sites, but one of them was to a forum similar to this where he was discussed and the errors in his teaching were highlighted.

In the same way, if people are Googling the names of people I consider false teachers I want to be able to highlight their false teachings, with details of what they teach and why I believe it to be false. At least that way people can make up their own minds. Otherwise we end up with a list of discussion forums that "don't name people, who aren't here to defend themselves" so the only Google hits people will get will be the ones gushing about anointings and how great a teacher is. The fact a teacher isn't here to defend themselves isn't really relevant - Paul criticised Alexander the coppersmith without specifically giving him chance to defend his reputation, and as long as teaching is identified and referenced it seems entirely appropriate to "name and shame".

 

[tango]

The verses posted are true, but I have to question the reason for the accusations.

One might think oh well I stand on God's word for my foundation.

The NKJ is nothing to do with the King James.

So we begin a reference with a imposter,then we call others false teachers.


Verse
Acts 3:26 God, having raised up his Son :Reference KJ

Having raised up his servant:Reference NKJV


Sorry if it is not the Recieved text it has nothing new for the KJ

The accusations are related to teachers who teach falsehood, no?



It's not just the NKJV that uses "servant" instead of "son":

Acts 3:26

(ESV) God, having raised up his servant, sent him to you first, to bless you by turning every one of you from your wickedness."

(GNB) And so God chose his Servant and sent him to you first, to bless you by making every one of you turn away from your wicked ways."

(GNT-V) υμιν πρωτον Aαναστησας ο θεος αναστησας τον παιδα αυτου ιησουν απεστειλεν αυτον ευλογουντα υμας εν τω αποστρεφειν εκαστον απο των πονηριων υμων

(KJV) Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

(KJV+) Unto youG5213 firstG4412 God,G2316 having raised upG450 hisG848 SonG3816 Jesus,G2424 sentG649 himG846 to blessG2127 you,G5209 in turning awayG654 every oneG1538 of you fromG575 hisG5216 iniquities.G4189

(KJV-1611) Unto you first, God hauing raised vp his Sonne Iesus, sent him to blesse you, in turning away euery one of you from his iniquities.

(MSG) But you are first in line: God, having raised up his Son, sent him to bless you as you turn, one by one, from your evil ways."

(NIrV) God raised up Jesus, who serves him. God sent him first to you. He did it to bless you. He wanted to turn each of you from your evil ways."

(NIV) When God raised up his servant, he sent him first to you to bless you by turning each of you from your wicked ways."

(NIV84) When God raised up his servant, he sent him first to you to bless you by turning each of you from your wicked ways."

(NKJV) To you first, God, having raised up His Servant Jesus, sent Him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from your iniquities."

(NLT) When God raised up His servant, Jesus, He sent Him first to you people of Israel, to bless you by turning each of you back from your sinful ways."

(TNIV) When God raised up his servant, he sent him first to you to bless you by turning each of you from your wicked ways."

 

[Hammster]

I've noticed that there seems to be a link between the most prominent false teachers and speaking in tongues. Not all. Osteen doesn't, as far as I know. But Hinn, Copeland, Meyers, Jakes, the Crouch's all do or did.


Sent from my iPhone using my right thumb.

 

[Lamb]

I've noticed that there seems to be a link between the most prominent false teachers and speaking in tongues. Not all. Osteen doesn't, as far as I know. But Hinn, Copeland, Meyers, Jakes, the Crouch's all do or did.


Sent from my iPhone using my right thumb.

There is a pdf on joel's page that speaks of tongues, so yeah, he does promote it.

 

[Alithis]

you guys are really hammering in opposition to this particular manifestation of the holy Spirit -yet how often will i say it .
the manifestation of tongues (or ANY gift of the Holy Spirit) is not an automatic validation of everything a person does or teaches . you need to stop judging "the gift" .
all these people you speak of are but a handful of people ..collectively they may fit in your lounge .. as opposed to the millions who quietly experience this manifestation and have nothing to do with westernized materialistic christianity or its teachings . one - is not the other .

it is far better to go and do what you feel christians should be doing then it is to sit and judge those who are not doing what we ourselves are not doing .

 

[tango]

you guys are really hammering in opposition to this particular manifestation of the holy Spirit -yet how often will i say it .
the manifestation of tongues (or ANY gift of the Holy Spirit) is not an automatic validation of everything a person does or teaches . you need to stop judging "the gift" .
all these people you speak of are but a handful of people ..collectively they may fit in your lounge .. as opposed to the millions who quietly experience this manifestation and have nothing to do with westernized materialistic christianity or its teachings . one - is not the other .

it is far better to go and do what you feel christians should be doing then it is to sit and judge those who are not doing what we ourselves are not doing .

This is true, but at the same time if someone is faking a "gift" we might wonder what else they are faking as well.

Speaking in tongues doesn't validate anything - signs and wonders in general don't validate anything because with the right conditions many of them are easy to fake. But once again if we find someone is being dishonest in one area there's a fair chance we'll find dishonesty somewhere else too.

 

[Hammster]

you guys are really hammering in opposition to this particular manifestation of the holy Spirit -

That is a completely false accusation. I never oppose the Spirit. I will, however, oppose nonsense being passed on as a work of the Spirit.


Sent from my iPhone using my right thumb.

 

[Alithis]

This is true, but at the same time if someone is faking a "gift" we might wonder what else they are faking as well.

Speaking in tongues doesn't validate anything - signs and wonders in general don't validate anything because with the right conditions many of them are easy to fake. But once again if we find someone is being dishonest in one area there's a fair chance we'll find dishonesty somewhere else too.

hmm i agree except that signs and wonders were the validation of the lord Jesus ..didn't he say i you dot believe my words believe the works i do .. referring to the signs and wonders .of course these signs and wonders are for the most part absent in the list of preachers being referred to here .. but very present out i the world among the poor and needy who cant even afford a tv to know of these teachers .

 

[Alithis]

That is a completely false accusation. I never oppose the Spirit. I will, however, oppose nonsense being passed on as a work of the Spirit.


Sent from my iPhone using my right thumb.

we've been here ..you don't have any qualification to make that judgment ..you just keep banging on in opposition to one particular manifestation . you need to separate the gift from the person ..we are qualified to judge if what a person preaches or teaches is truth .. but we cant judge tongues .i know you like to point out there is no scripture to verify that those tongues are valid . but there is no scripture verify they are not .so thats a circular and pointless argument .

stick to judging what we do know ..not what we cannot know . what we do know is there is a massive sell out for carnal material $$profits$$ by many of the teachers mentioned -this is rather evident .

however let us balance it with the Billions extracted from the poor by coercion and false teaching that one might buy their way out of a false purgatory etc, over the centuries and poured into dead stone buildings all over the world . which now stand as monuments of testimony to the materialistic evils of the NON pentecostal churches .
and there are few denominations that do not have such monuments testifying against them -the baptist certainly not being excluded .

 

[Hebrews 11]

The accusations are related to teachers who teach falsehood, no?



It's not just the NKJV that uses "servant" instead of "son":

Acts 3:26

(ESV) God, having raised up his servant, sent him to you first, to bless you by turning every one of you from your wickedness."

(GNB) And so God chose his Servant and sent him to you first, to bless you by making every one of you turn away from your wicked ways."

(GNT-V) υμιν πρωτον Aαναστησας ο θεος αναστησας τον παιδα αυτου ιησουν απεστειλεν αυτον ευλογουντα υμας εν τω αποστρεφειν εκαστον απο των πονηριων υμων

(KJV) Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

(KJV+) Unto youG5213 firstG4412 God,G2316 having raised upG450 hisG848 SonG3816 Jesus,G2424 sentG649 himG846 to blessG2127 you,G5209 in turning awayG654 every oneG1538 of you fromG575 hisG5216 iniquities.G4189

(KJV-1611) Unto you first, God hauing raised vp his Sonne Iesus, sent him to blesse you, in turning away euery one of you from his iniquities.

(MSG) But you are first in line: God, having raised up his Son, sent him to bless you as you turn, one by one, from your evil ways."

(NIrV) God raised up Jesus, who serves him. God sent him first to you. He did it to bless you. He wanted to turn each of you from your evil ways."

(NIV) When God raised up his servant, he sent him first to you to bless you by turning each of you from your wicked ways."

(NIV84) When God raised up his servant, he sent him first to you to bless you by turning each of you from your wicked ways."

(NKJV) To you first, God, having raised up His Servant Jesus, sent Him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from your iniquities."

(NLT) When God raised up His servant, Jesus, He sent Him first to you people of Israel, to bless you by turning each of you back from your sinful ways."

(TNIV) When God raised up his servant, he sent him first to you to bless you by turning each of you from your wicked ways."

You have reinforced my point.
Does anyone consider their have been 200 new translations in the past 30 years.

Was Christ God's servant,or God's only begotten Son?
Most of the false bible translations take aim at the Devine nature of Christ.

If you want to follow the Westcott and Hort mystic nonsense and then say Copeland is a false teacher,
Or any one else for that matter you need not use a false critical text.

What astounds me is you give multiple examples of this translation that is clearly wrong.

IN THE "NEW KJV," THERE ARE

22 omissions of "hell",
23 omissions of "blood",
44 omissions of "repent",
50 omissions of "heaven",
51 omissions of "God",
66 omissions of "Lord".

The term "JEHOVAH" is completely omitted.

As Solomon taught,there is no new thing under the sun.

Take a stroll into Romans 2 King James, it may help you consider who and what are false.

 

[Hebrews 11]

Have you studied the Bible on exactly what it says about speaking in tongues?

Tell us all what is unbiblical about tongues.

Show us with verse where it is false teaching.

Tell us about the Spiritual Gifts using scripture.

All I ever see posted are trite answers with no substance.

I want to know where your foundation for your statements lies.

 

[Hebrews 11]

Wow,hard core they criticise prosperity but never miss a chance to pass their plate.

I should rather believe what you give in secret God rewards openly,than to push plates past everyone every service.
I wonder how each division of their denomination dispenses mission funds?

Do they pay their Pastors or have them work their guts out in the world then put God's work second place?

If they pay their Pastors I wonder how much is too much or not enough.

Maybe they get them a room on barely getting by street.

While the deacons live in 6 bedrooms and a pool home.

 

[Hammster]

we've been here ..you don't have any qualification to make that judgment ..you just keep banging on in opposition to one particular manifestation . you need to separate the gift from the person ..we are qualified to judge if what a person preaches or teaches is truth .. but we cant judge tongues .i know you like to point out there is no scripture to verify that those tongues are valid . but there is no scripture verify they are not .so thats a circular and pointless argument .

stick to judging what we do know ..not what we cannot know . what we do know is there is a massive sell out for carnal material $$profits$$ by many of the teachers mentioned -this is rather evident .

however let us balance it with the Billions extracted from the poor by coercion and false teaching that one might buy their way out of a false purgatory etc, over the centuries and poured into dead stone buildings all over the world . which now stand as monuments of testimony to the materialistic evils of the NON pentecostal churches .
and there are few denominations that do not have such monuments testifying against them -the baptist certainly not being excluded .

This thread is about false teachers. I made an accurate observation. I just so happens that a good portion of those who support these demonstrably false teachers also support speaking in tongues. It has also been demonstrated that those who speak in tongues cannot support the practice biblically or historically.

I'm qualified to make those observations.


Sent from my iPhone using my right thumb.

 

[Hammster]

Have you studied the Bible on exactly what it says about speaking in tongues?

Tell us all what is unbiblical about tongues.

Show us with verse where it is false teaching.

Tell us about the Spiritual Gifts using scripture.

All I ever see posted are trite answers with no substance.

I want to know where your foundation for your statements lies.

There's nothing unbiblical about tongues. There is nothing biblical about the gibberish being passed off as tongues and prayer language.

And it has been shown that the major false teachers and their followers all speak gibberish and call it tongues.

Sent from my iPhone using my right thumb.

 

[Pelikan]

Take a stroll into Romans 2 King James, it may help you consider who and what are false.

This assumes that the KJV isn't inaccurate.

Wrongfully assumes, might I add.

 

[tango]

we've been here ..you don't have any qualification to make that judgment ..you just keep banging on in opposition to one particular manifestation . you need to separate the gift from the person ..we are qualified to judge if what a person preaches or teaches is truth .. but we cant judge tongues .i know you like to point out there is no scripture to verify that those tongues are valid . but there is no scripture verify they are not .so thats a circular and pointless argument .

stick to judging what we do know ..not what we cannot know . what we do know is there is a massive sell out for carnal material $$profits$$ by many of the teachers mentioned -this is rather evident .

however let us balance it with the Billions extracted from the poor by coercion and false teaching that one might buy their way out of a false purgatory etc, over the centuries and poured into dead stone buildings all over the world . which now stand as monuments of testimony to the materialistic evils of the NON pentecostal churches .
and there are few denominations that do not have such monuments testifying against them -the baptist certainly not being excluded .

With respect, this looks very much like a false dilemma.

The fact some churches don't miss the chance to pass the plate and pour vast sums into collections of silver and huge buildings doesn't mean that anyone else is doing a good thing because they don't have ornate buildings. What you're saying here is little more than "but, but, but, look at all the bad things HE is doing!"