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I saw this cartoon and I thought ...

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I do not think that Donald Trump is afraid of facts or afraid of critical thinking and I do not think he is terrified of the media. Donald Trump is having a go at manipulating the populace and especially his followers by manoeuvring them into distrusting the existence of facts and abandoning their critical thoughts and by disparaging as well as discrediting the media. Perhaps he hopes thereby to cut his followers off from any source of information that contradicts his spin on reality.
 
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You make a very good point MC. It's confusing. I don't know what to believe any more. Who is telling the truth? Who is telling lies?
 

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You make a very good point MC. It's confusing. I don't know what to believe any more. Who is telling the truth? Who is telling lies?


Exactly.So we need a plumb line for truth. The "hath God said?" is at play on a large scale. So just take the news with a grain of salt.
 

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Exactly.So we need a plumb line for truth. The "hath God said?" is at play on a large scale. So just take the news with a grain of salt.
Maybe also take what Trump says with a grain of salt, too, no? :)
 

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Maybe also take what Trump says with a grain of salt, too, no? :)

I always did that, I thought he was just joking.
 

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Maybe also take what Trump says with a grain of salt, too, no? :)

Really take what everybody says with a grain of salt.:rotfl: I mean, it is no laughing matter, but, sometimes laughing at the absurdity of it all is about all you can do.
 

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You make a very good point MC. It's confusing. I don't know what to believe any more. Who is telling the truth? Who is telling lies?

Donald Trump tells many lies. And even when not telling lies he is so vague and so imprecise that his statements appear to be lies. His remarks about Sweden the other day made it sound as if Sweden had suffered some sort of terrorist attack the night before his speech when in fact what he was attempting to say is "I watched Fox news last night and it said Sweden had a high crime rate because of Muslim immigrants and refugees" but if he had gone to the trouble to say what I just wrote then it wouldn't have fitted the negativity of his speech and his point would not have been made so he minced the concepts up in a mess and made it sound like Sweden had a terrorist attack the night before his speech. Anyway, Donald Trump's speeches cannot be taken at face value nor can they be trusted because he is imprecise and misleading and because he tells lies.
 

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I always did that, I thought he was just joking.

I think a lot of people thought he was joking. They were wrong. Donald Trump is serious even when he is saying absolutely stupid things.
 

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Donald Trump is clearly the best President we've had in the last 8 years, and far and away better than the nightmare of an alternative that was the leftist-liberals choice.
 

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Donald Trump is clearly the best President we've had in the last 8 years, and far and away better than the nightmare of an alternative that was the leftist-liberals choice.

Don't be silly! He's a disaster on two feet. :p
 

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Don't be silly! He's a disaster on two feet. :p
You are in no position to even pretend to know. The leftist muslum sympathizer and his cronies have done extensive damage to my country, and hilary would have been more of the same left-wing garbage on speed. The American ppl spoke, and many are thanking God for His long-suffering, but thanks to the moronic opposition, it may be too little too late. But another pro-abortion, pro-illegals, anti-American in the White House is the last thing our country needed, and anyone who thinks otherwise, especially an outsider, is simply clueless.
 

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You are in no position to even pretend to know. The leftist muslum sympathizer and his cronies have done extensive damage to my country, and hilary would have been more of the same left-wing garbage on speed. The American ppl spoke, and many are thanking God for His long-suffering, but thanks to the moronic opposition, it may be too little too late. But another pro-abortion, pro-illegals, anti-American in the White House is the last thing our country needed, and anyone who thinks otherwise, especially an outsider, is simply clueless.

But I know almost everything!

:smirk:
 

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But I know almost everything!

:smirk:
Whaddya mean almost?!
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But seriously, you had to have lived here for the past 8 years to get the full grasp of the downward spiral, ... Most ppl here had neither the time nor the stomach to be fully engaged, and many others have been like blind lemmings, they just have no idea the things that were being done, and the who's who of backroom buddies in the thick of it.

So many others just buy into the little soundbites on the news, (half asleep after work, if theyre lucky enough to have it), and lulled the rest of the way asleep by the spokespuppets for the left.

It's really been gut-wrenching to have to live through, and I am somewhat ashamed of myself for not being more attentive, ....but wow, ... I'm telling you, a whole lot of people have paid a whole lot more attention to the kardashians and oprahs and beyoncis than they have the abortion issue, or our ambassadors being murdered and their family members being lied to their face about it by the ex-president and state department. (thx hilary)

Of course, Im a bit ashamed I even know who the kardashians and beyoncis even are.
 

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Australia has its share of crazies - less than the USA as a percentage of the population but we have them here too - and Australia has had its share of bombs and killings done by people thinking they are Allah's trusty little servants doing his will and all that religious stuff. We haven't had many Christian crazies like the Oklahoma City bomber or Waco or Jones Town but we do have some crazy Plymouth Brethren religious nutters and a few Buddhist and Hindu nutters too. I guess most Western nations have a collection of religious nutters but it seems like the USA always has more and that the ones in the USA are more violent. So your claim that I'd need to live in the Netherlands for the past 8 years to understand the situation there is likely to be untrue. The Netherlands is not likely to be uniquely crazy with Muslims and Christians and stuff. It's just crazy in a Dutch sort of way while Australia is crazy in an Australian sort of way. The USA is uniquely crazy for a western nation - middle eastern nations are in a league of their own for craziness that no others can even approach for its intensity though some countries in Africa are very close for craziness. I guess it takes a failed government or a royal dictatorship to be as loony as they are in the middle east. But this thread is mainly about Donald Trump's characterisation of the USA media as the enemy of the USA people. Not about crazy terrorists in the Netherlands or Australia. The USA is in for "interesting times" I reckon. I am glad to live a long long way away from them.
 

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Australia has its share of crazies - less than the USA as a percentage of the population but we have them here too - and Australia has had its share of bombs and killings done by people thinking they are Allah's trusty little servants doing his will and all that religious stuff. We haven't had many Christian crazies like the Oklahoma City bomber or Waco or Jones Town but we do have some crazy Plymouth Brethren religious nutters and a few Buddhist and Hindu nutters too. I guess most Western nations have a collection of religious nutters but it seems like the USA always has more and that the ones in the USA are more violent. So your claim that I'd need to live in the Netherlands for the past 8 years to understand the situation there is likely to be untrue. The Netherlands is not likely to be uniquely crazy with Muslims and Christians and stuff. It's just crazy in a Dutch sort of way while Australia is crazy in an Australian sort of way. The USA is uniquely crazy for a western nation - middle eastern nations are in a league of their own for craziness that no others can even approach for its intensity though some countries in Africa are very close for craziness. I guess it takes a failed government or a royal dictatorship to be as loony as they are in the middle east. But this thread is mainly about Donald Trump's characterisation of the USA media as the enemy of the USA people. Not about crazy terrorists in the Netherlands or Australia. The USA is in for "interesting times" I reckon. I am glad to live a long long way away from them.
The 'Here' I've been referring to is the United States of America, not The Netherlands.

Also, it's not crazies or even terrorists I was referring to either, but the fundamental destruction of America the leftists like Obama, Hilary, and their minions and collaborators had us on course for, being pro-abortion, pro-illegals, and on and on, being basically anti-christian in their policies.

Their decay and deception runs deep, and as I said before, may even be beyond repair ... It's certainly going to be difficult, and many have given up hope ... exactly what the enemy would want.

But the American ppl felt that the only chance, slim as it might be, to try to right the ship was someone Outside the Washington political machine who showed some yahtzas during the campaign, namely Donald Trump. So we nominated him in all-time record numbers in a primary, and elected him President. We'll see what happens, but with the alternative, things wouldn't just be hard, they'd have been impossible. You just can't believe the evil running through the lefts agenda.

I thank God for prayers answered, but it's just the beginning, more prayer and hard work will be needed, and it still may only be a temporary reprieve.
It won't change the final outcome, both glorious and devastating yet awesome, but a glimmer of hope is better than none, and faith the size of a mustard seed can move mountains.

The main goal for christians should be to glorify the name of Jesus and help people be saved, and the path of self-destruction America was on wasn't good for that, or for much of anybody else but an elite few, either. And not even for them, ultimately, in the big picture.

Now's really the time to pull together to work FOR Jesus' Kingdom, and against a common demonic enemy. Many feel the Lord's return is near, (of course, IT IS), and much good can be done, He is with us and He already has the victory, but things really have become a mess here, and we desperately need our Saviour, and His love, and brotherly love, to see us through. Peace.
 

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The 'Here' I've been referring to is the United States of America, not The Netherlands.

Also, it's not crazies or even terrorists I was referring to either, but the fundamental destruction of America the leftists like Obama, Hilary, and their minions and collaborators had us on course for, being pro-abortion, pro-illegals, and on and on, being basically anti-christian in their policies.

Their decay and deception runs deep, and as I said before, may even be beyond repair ... It's certainly going to be difficult, and many have given up hope ... exactly what the enemy would want.

But the American ppl felt that the only chance, slim as it might be, to try to right the ship was someone Outside the Washington political machine who showed some yahtzas during the campaign, namely Donald Trump. So we nominated him in all-time record numbers in a primary, and elected him President. We'll see what happens, but with the alternative, things wouldn't just be hard, they'd have been impossible. You just can't believe the evil running through the lefts agenda.

I thank God for prayers answered, but it's just the beginning, more prayer and hard work will be needed, and it still may only be a temporary reprieve.
It won't change the final outcome, both glorious and devastating yet awesome, but a glimmer of hope is better than none, and faith the size of a mustard seed can move mountains.

The main goal for christians should be to glorify the name of Jesus and help people be saved, and the path of self-destruction America was on wasn't good for that, or for much of anybody else but an elite few, either. And not even for them, ultimately, in the big picture.

Now's really the time to pull together to work FOR Jesus' Kingdom, and against a common demonic enemy. Many feel the Lord's return is near, (of course, IT IS), and much good can be done, He is with us and He already has the victory, but things really have become a mess here, and we desperately need our Saviour, and His love, and brotherly love, to see us through. Peace.

I see, then you'd be in the right-wing-crazies class from my perspective :p
 

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I see, then you'd be in the right-wing-crazies class from my perspective :p
Then your perspective is pitiful.
I'm pro-life/anti-abortion, the opposite of Obama and Hilary.
Is that right wing crazy?

I'm anti-illegal immigration, anti-sanctuary cities, anti-crime, anti-drug dealing, and pro-protection for the citizens and the borders. The opposite of Obama, Hilary, and the leftists.
Is that right-wing crazy?

I'm pro-Israel and anti-muslum terrorists that vow to wipe Israel and America off the face of the earth, unlike the leftists Obama and Hilary.
Is that right-wing crazy?

I'm pro-the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ, salvation as a free gift from God to whosoever will believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, pro-the love of God for all, pro-the God of the Bible, OT and New, from Genesis to Revelation. In contrast to the leftists.
Is that right-wing crazy?

I could go on, but there's a short list for you to decide if that is your idea of right-wing crazy.
If that's truly the case, I'm afraid you are sadly deceived and confused.

Those who support those positions care about God and life and country.
Those who oppose those positions are clearly on a path of destruction, both of self and others.
Please decide which of those positions you support or oppose, and why, see if you will post your answers, and then decide what label you would also attach to yourself. Right-wing crazy?
 

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Then your perspective is pitiful.
I'm pro-life/anti-abortion, the opposite of Obama and Hilary.
Is that right wing crazy?
Yes, possibly, it if leads to voting for Donald Trump. I can imagine a chap saying "I am a good Catholic! I voted for Mousseline" on the pretext that Mousseline was against abortion and pro-life. Of course Mousseline was also pro-invasion of Ethiopia and pro alliance with Germany. His brand of pro life led to WW II. I wonder of Donald Trump's brand of pro-life might lead to WW III or if not a WW then a big war and a lot of dead people. That kind of pro-life is a sham. Time will tell if that's what Donald Trump is offering. Nobody can feel very righteous after voting for a man who leads the nation into wars that can be avoided and that are not just.
I'm anti-illegal immigration, anti-sanctuary cities, anti-crime, anti-drug dealing, and pro-protection for the citizens and the borders. The opposite of Obama, Hilary, and the leftists.
Is that right-wing crazy?
Yes, it sounds kind of crazy. Does it mean pro wall between Mexico and the USA? How about a wall between Canada and the USA? And damn those kids born in the USA to parents without a valid visa! Yep, it sounds crazy.
I'm pro-Israel and anti-muslum terrorists that vow to wipe Israel and America off the face of the earth, unlike the leftists Obama and Hilary.
Is that right-wing crazy?
Yep, that is crazy. Not because it is bad to support the USA but because it is crazy to characterise Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton as anti-Israel and pro-muslim-terrorist.
I'm pro-the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ, salvation as a free gift from God to whosoever will believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, pro-the love of God for all, pro-the God of the Bible, OT and New, from Genesis to Revelation. In contrast to the leftists.
Is that right-wing crazy?
Yep, it is crazy to say that left leaning people are not Christians which is what your statements add up to.
I could go on, but there's a short list for you to decide if that is your idea of right-wing crazy.
If that's truly the case, I'm afraid you are sadly deceived and confused.

Those who support those positions care about God and life and country.
Those who oppose those positions are clearly on a path of destruction, both of self and others.
Please decide which of those positions you support or oppose, and why, see if you will post your answers, and then decide what label you would also attach to yourself. Right-wing crazy?

You repeated yourself a bit. My earlier responses in this post cover the stuff you closed off with.
 
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