Abortion

[Pelikan]

Is there ANY situations in which you feel abortion is acceptable. If so, in which ones? I have no problem with a woman aborting a child in a situation where the MOTHER'S life is at great risk. Simply because otherwise sometimes you can lose both of them.

This is the only time I'd consider it. Alas, it's the mother's decision.

 

[dogs4thewin]

It is a womans body to do what she wants with it.

Remember, EXCEPT in cases of rape ( not denying that some are concived as a result of rape) In the VAST majority of cases the woman did something with her consent full well knowing that a baby could be the result. In choosing to do so; she gave up that right because you knew what you were doing; you knew that could happen you need to woman up and accept that that is on YOU.

 

[dogs4thewin]

You don't believe it for yourself? Why not? But you believe it for other people?

She would not get one, but she supports your right, my right or any other woman's right to get one if she so chooses.

 

[psalms 91]

I do not support murder by any name

 

[dogs4thewin]

I do not support murder by any name

Do you support different types of killings being called/ punished different ways? If I got behind the wheel drunk and killed someone in most states I would not face a plain murder charge. If I got mad and killed someone in the heat of passion that is not a murder charge that is manslaughter. Even then there is voluntary and involuntary manslaughter/

 

[tango]

Do you support different types of killings being called/ punished different ways? If I got behind the wheel drunk and killed someone in most states I would not face a plain murder charge. If I got mad and killed someone in the heat of passion that is not a murder charge that is manslaughter. Even then there is voluntary and involuntary manslaughter/

Different types of killing can reasonably be given different names.

If I'm working on the roof of a building and accidentally drop a slate that lands on someone's head, I killed them.

If I have a few too many beers and drive home anyway because the roads are quiet, fail to spot a pedestrian and run them over, I killed them.

If I come home from work to find my wife in bed with another man and in the heat of the moment I shoot them, I killed them.

If I make a specific conscious decision to end the life of another person and then execute my plan knowing full well what will happen, I killed them.

The end result of all these scenarios is the same but to say that they all boil down to "I killed them" where my culpability is concerned is clearly absurd.

Where abortion is concerned it's not as if the situation is any different to the final scenario. The woman who goes to an abortion clinic is undertaking a very specific and planned course of action to terminate her pregnancy. So there really is no middle ground - if that unborn child counts as a human then the process is equivalent to murder, while if it does not then the process is equivalent to having her tonsils removed.

What the state says about the process has no bearing at all regarding what God says about the process.


ETA: Just an update to say I think I'm agreeing with you, I realised my post could read as if I were disagreeing with you.

 

[psalms 91]

Do you support different types of killings being called/ punished different ways? If I got behind the wheel drunk and killed someone in most states I would not face a plain murder charge. If I got mad and killed someone in the heat of passion that is not a murder charge that is manslaughter. Even then there is voluntary and involuntary manslaughter/

If you premeditate an action that leads to killing then it is murder and women know full well what they are doing, just because it is legal does not change what is being done. You can call a pig a rose and it will still be a pig

 

[dogs4thewin]

If you premeditate an action that leads to killing then it is murder and women know full well what they are doing, just because it is legal does not change what is being done. You can call a pig a rose and it will still be a pig

There are two different ways. I can premeditate a killing OR an action that LEADS to a death. The first one will lead to harsher punishment than the second one.

 

[Krissy Cakes]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=absW29h8KGA

Listen to him. Hes good.

 

[Krissy Cakes]

Oh heres another one for you:

http://liveactionnews.org/miscarried-22-weeks-identical-twins-sharing-truth-abortion/

 

[MotorCityChristian]

I condone it if a mother's life is in danger because 1 life is one life. Although, I do not support abortion in the case of rape or incest, I see it as a gray area. I am not in a position to judge a woman, but I do feel adoption is the better option at that point.

 

[Hammster]

While true; one could argue that there are already too many children in country's foster system alone.

Actually, the argument is that there's not enough foster parents (says the foster parent).

And not a good reason to kill a child anyway.

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[dogs4thewin]

Actually, the argument is that there's not enough foster parents (says the foster parent).

And not a good reason to kill a child anyway.

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Well, that may be the case, but since you cannot force people to foster and kids go in the foster system for all kinds of reasons; then there still are too many children for the amount of people willing to foster to handle.

 

[Hammster]

Well, that may be the case, but since you cannot force people to foster and kids go in the foster system for all kinds of reasons; then there still are too many children for the amount of people willing to foster to handle.

Then we should kill the excess. That's what abortion is anyway. Kill those who are just too inconvenient.


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[dogs4thewin]

Then we should kill the excess. That's what abortion is anyway. Kill those who are just too inconvenient.


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Well, unless and until Roe v Wade is overturned that is an option. It is on the books.

 

[80sChild]

I'm not for abortion but I'm not going to tell someone what to do, because I don't know their situation or their history.


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[Hammster]

Rape and incest. And if mothers life was in danger


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Why should a child pay for the crimes of someone else?


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[80sChild]

Yeah your right. Put them up for adoption. Your right your right! ️


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[Inkachu]

Is there ANY situations in which you feel abortion is acceptable. If so, in which ones? I have no problem with a woman aborting a child in a situation where the MOTHER'S life is at great risk. Simply because otherwise sometimes you can lose both of them.

No, it is never justified. There are times when we simply have to stop trying to control every life-and-death situation and allow God and nature to take its natural course. If both the mother and child are in imminent danger, we should use all our medical knowledge to sustain both lives to the best of our ability. Murdering one of them is NEVER the solution.

 

[tango]

No, it is never justified. There are times when we simply have to stop trying to control every life-and-death situation and allow God and nature to take its natural course. If both the mother and child are in imminent danger, we should use all our medical knowledge to sustain both lives to the best of our ability. Murdering one of them is NEVER the solution.

This is where it gets thorny though.

If we can say with reasonable certainty that continuing with the pregnancy will cost the life of both the mother and the child, but terminating the pregnancy will preserve the mother's life, it's really hard to justify insisting on a course of inaction that results in death. That really is a situation where I'd say it's for the mother and father to decide how to proceed rather than trying to enshrine it in law.