False teachers

[psalms 91]

"We" don't know this. What you say is not scripture. And it's also not what Copeland is promoting.


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Be that as it may that is my belief

 

[Lamb]

Be that as it may that is my belief

You believed that Christ was tortured?

 

[psalms 91]

I believed He preached to the captives and led captivity captive out of hell. As for being tortured I know He was before death, no other way to describe His treatment

 

[MoreCoffee]

There is serious error in any theology that proclaims that the Lord Jesus Christ (a single person) was spiritually dead (cut off from God) because the Lord Jesus Christ is both God and man and his person never split into two parts after the incarnation one part being cut off from the other. To maintain that such a thing could happen is to deny the Creed of Chalcedon and by implication to deny the Nicene Creed.

 

[Hammster]

I believed He preached to the captives and led captivity captive out of hell. As for being tortured I know He was before death, no other way to describe His treatment

So do you agree or disagree with one of Copeland's major teachings?


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[psalms 91]

I disagree with what was presented, I have stated my belief

 

[Hammster]

I disagree with what was presented, I have stated my belief

So then you'll agree that Copeland's teaching about Christ being tortured is false.


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[MoreCoffee]

So then you'll agree that Copeland's teaching about Christ being tortured is false.


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Be specific, it is "tortured in hell" (or maybe Hades) that is in error while being tortured in Jerusalem when he was beaten and crucified is not in error.

 

[tango]

I disagree with what was presented, I have stated my belief

Are you saying you disagree with Copeland's teaching, or that you disagree that what is posted here accurately represents Copeland's teaching?

 

[psalms 91]

I disagree with what was presented as Copelands teaching and I posted what I believe. That is all

 

[Hammster]

Be specific, it is "tortured in hell" (or maybe Hades) that is in error while being tortured in Jerusalem when he was beaten and crucified is not in error.

Tortured in hell. He, and other word/faith teachers, consider His torture at the hands of demons to be what atones for sin.


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[Hammster]

I disagree with what was presented as Copelands teaching and I posted what I believe. That is all

So you agree that what he teaches about an essential doctrine is false and blasphemous. Should we continue with his other false teachings?


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[MoreCoffee]

Tortured in hell. He, and other word/faith teachers, consider His torture at the hands of demons to be what atones for sin.


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Yes, I have heard Kenneth Copeland make such statements and Benny Hinn too. It appears to be a plank in the platform of Word of Faith teaching. The idea that the Lord Jesus Christ was cut off from God (the Father) while on the cross and in the grave appears to be an error they have received and teach to other. It is a heresy.

 

[psalms 91]

So you agree that what he teaches about an essential doctrine is false and blasphemous. Should we continue with his other false teachings?


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It is amazing to me how easily you judge. Most all pastors teachers have erred is some way. By your satandard there wouldnt be any left I think including you.

 

[psalms 91]

Yes, I have heard Kenneth Copeland make such statements and Benny Hinn too. It appears to be a plank in the platform of Word of Faith teaching. The idea that the Lord Jesus Christ was cut off from God (the Father) while on the cross and in the grave appears to be an error they have received and teach to other. It is a heresy.

Seems to mee that He was smitten and afflicted of God is scriptural and also that God forsked Him on the cross otherwise why would Jesus have said so?

 

[tango]

I disagree with what was presented as Copelands teaching and I posted what I believe. That is all

I'm still not sure I'm understanding you.

Are you saying "Copeland teaches that Jesus was tortured in hell and I disagree with that teaching", or "People say that Copeland teaches that Jesus was tortured in hell but I disagree that Copeland teaches that at all"?

I think you're saying the first one but can't be sure.

 

[Hammster]

It is amazing to me how easily you judge. Most all pastors teachers have erred is some way. By your satandard there wouldnt be any left I think including you.

Do you agree that his teaching on Christ in hell is in error?


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[tango]

It is amazing to me how easily you judge. Most all pastors teachers have erred is some way. By your satandard there wouldnt be any left I think including you.

Most have erred in some way, the question is whether the error is critical or not.

If a pastor struggles with a sin issue that's one thing. If a pastor promotes a teaching that fundamentally misses the mark regarding the person of Jesus Christ that's pretty serious, no? If Jesus Christ is our foundation and we've got something fundamentally wrong regarding who Jesus Christ is and was, anything we build on that is also going to be suspect. It comes back to the parable about the man who built his house on the sand. A false Jesus represents a foundation of sand, and when the storms of life come the house built on the sand won't last.

 

[psalms 91]

Most have erred in some way, the question is whether the error is critical or not.

If a pastor struggles with a sin issue that's one thing. If a pastor promotes a teaching that fundamentally misses the mark regarding the person of Jesus Christ that's pretty serious, no? If Jesus Christ is our foundation and we've got something fundamentally wrong regarding who Jesus Christ is and was, anything we build on that is also going to be suspect. It comes back to the parable about the man who built his house on the sand. A false Jesus represents a foundation of sand, and when the storms of life come the house built on the sand won't last.

Very true but that particular error is saying that Jesus suffered, we agree on that, just not how and when. It is like healing, as we have seen there is a wide difference in beliefs concerning this and I am sure that both sides think the other is in error.

 

[psalms 91]

I'm still not sure I'm understanding you.

Are you saying "Copeland teaches that Jesus was tortured in hell and I disagree with that teaching", or "People say that Copeland teaches that Jesus was tortured in hell but I disagree that Copeland teaches that at all"?

I think you're saying the first one but can't be sure.

Yes, it is the first one. I am also sure that kenneth Hagin will not be someone you would accept either but I find his teaching on healing to be both accurate and thought provoking. John Lakes book the life and times of John G. Lake went a long way in conmvincing me of that