Speaking in tongues?

[psalms 91]

Ah yes, the "witness I have within me". I always wondered at that one. Pentecostal speak for "my opinion on the matter, based on emotional experience, is..."
And I've been there, done that, got the UPC T-shirt.

Again totally wrong. There is a witness within that helps guide me especially in the spiritual

 

[ImaginaryDay2]

Again totally wrong. There is a witness within that helps guide me especially in the spiritual

Of course. The Spirit will guide us into all truth. But he will also help us to be discerning with whatever gifts we have and in their proper and legitimate use.

 

[Hammster]

I have never spoken in tongues, but I have heard them and believe they happen today.

Me, too. But that doesn't make it biblical.


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[Hammster]

Again totally wrong. There is a witness within that helps guide me especially in the spiritual

Mormonism 101. Burning bosom.


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[psalms 91]

Mormonism 101. Burning bosom.


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Spirit within, Acts

 

[Hammster]

Spirit within, Acts

Just like the Mormons.


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[Ruth]

Just like the Mormons.


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Now, what's wrong with the mormons?

 

[Hammster]

Now, what's wrong with the mormons?

They worship a false god.


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[Ruth]

They worship a false god.


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Who is their false God?

 

[Hammster]

Who is their false God?

It's not real. They call him god.


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[MoreCoffee]

Ah yes, the "witness I have within me". I always wondered at that one. Pentecostal speak for "my opinion on the matter, based on emotional experience, is..."
And I've been there, done that, got the UPC T-shirt.

Latter Day Saints (Mormons) talk about the burning they feel in the bosom as the spiritual witness that Joseph Smith truly was/is a prophet from God. Inner witnesses persuade only the one who claims to have one and even then it seems a rather fallible sort of witness that disappears when doubts flood in. The foundation is rather sandy I suspect and can't withstand the storm when it comes.

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it. (Matthew 7:21-27 KJV)

 

[MoreCoffee]

Of course. The Spirit will guide us into all truth. But he will also help us to be discerning with whatever gifts we have and in their proper and legitimate use.

Pay careful attention to what the Lord says when he promises that the Holy Spirit will guide YOU into all truth note the number of the pronoun because it is plural and the promise is not of an inner witness for each individual; the promise is for the church as a whole and the church as a whole does not have "an inner witness" teaching that 'tongues' as it is seen on television and in your local Pentecostal assembly is a gift from God.

I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you. (John 16:12-15 KJV)

 

[psalms 91]

Just like the Mormons.


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I am not Mormon but you already know that

 

[Hammster]

I am not Mormon but you already know that

Never said you were. But your way of determining truth is the same.


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[psalms 91]

No that is but one witness and if you are denyiong the spirit within then you are against scripture.

 

[LovebirdsFlying]

I have spoken in tongues, and I probably still could. But now I'm leery of the idea. Ever since it's been pointed out to me that self-control is part of the fruit of the Holy Spirit--and when I am speaking in tongues I have no idea what I'm going to say next, and I don't feel I'm in control of what I'm saying--I have doubts about the propriety of it. Until that apparent conflict is reconciled in my mind, I'm going to stay away from it.

So my vote in the poll was "not sure."

 

[psalms 91]

I have spoken in tongues, and I probably still could. But now I'm leery of the idea. Ever since it's been pointed out to me that self-control is part of the fruit of the Holy Spirit--and when I am speaking in tongues I have no idea what I'm going to say next, and I don't feel I'm in control of what I'm saying--I have doubts about the propriety of it. Until that apparent conflict is reconciled in my mind, I'm going to stay away from it.

So my vote in the poll was "not sure."

Of course you are not in control, it is the spirit that is. If you were in control then I would agree that it is of man but the very fact you are not in control and you speak you know not what tells me it is the spirit

 

[Hammster]

No that is but one witness and if you are denyiong the spirit within then you are against scripture.

I'm still waiting for the actual scripture that supports your view. So far all I've gotten from your side is experiences.


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[Hammster]

Of course you are not in control, it is the spirit that is. If you were in control then I would agree that it is of man but the very fact you are not in control and you speak you know not what tells me it is the spirit

Where is the scripture to support this?

Never mind. There isn't any.


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[LovebirdsFlying]

Of course you are not in control, it is the spirit that is. If you were in control then I would agree that it is of man but the very fact you are not in control and you speak you know not what tells me it is the spirit

But if part of the Fruit of the Spirit is *self* control (Galatians 5:22-23) then how do I know it's from God if I'm not in control of what I'm saying? It can be from a "spirit" all right, but not all spirits are from God. (1 John 4:1)

Yes, I've seen enough of it to say it's real. I'm just leery of where it comes from. Until I know for sure He sent it, I'm not going anywhere near it anymore.