Prelude to Sunday's debate

[Rens]

Why does being pro-Israel make someone smart?

To win over the pro Israel christians, that's a lot. This way you can tell christians they can't vote for Hillary, because then you vote against Israel. They don't fall for it though, most told Sid Roth to shut up. Some were gonna vote for an independant one.
We have a guy like that here too, totally unchristian, doesn't even fake to be one, wants to kick all the immigrants out, big mouth, same haircut, yet those pro Israel christians and Messianics vote for him, only because he's pro Israel.

 

[MarkFL]

To win over the pro Israel christians, that's a lot. This way you can tell christians they can't vote for Hillary, because then you vote against Israel. They don't fall for it though, most told Sid Roth to shut up. Some were gonna vote for an independant one.

Having a policy for the sole purpose of winning the approval of any group (especially a HUGE demographic like that) is "smart" from a political stance I suppose, no matter how misguided that policy may be. I hadn't heard that Clinton was against Israel. I fail to understand why the U.S. needs to have any stance regarding that one nation in the first place. We have more pressing issues right here at home without sticking our noses into the affairs of other nations.

 

[Rens]

Having a policy for the sole purpose of winning the approval of any group (especially a HUGE demographic like that) is "smart" from a political stance I suppose, no matter how misguided that policy may be. I hadn't heard that Clinton was against Israel. I fail to understand why the U.S. needs to have any stance regarding that one nation in the first place. We have more pressing issues right here at home without sticking our noses into the affairs of other nations.

Wonder if it's even true. Sid Roth said it, but he says more nonsense. Weird that so many christian leaders say people should vote for Trump.

http://correctrecord.org/hillary-clinton-on-israel/

 

[MoreCoffee]

Wonder if it's even true. Sid Roth said it, but he says more nonsense. Weird that so many christian leaders say people should vote for Trump.

http://correctrecord.org/hillary-clinton-on-israel/

Why does anybody think that a USA presidential candidate's policy supporting Israel is more important than his/her policy about supporting the USA?

 

[Rens]

Why does anybody think that a USA presidential candidate's policy supporting Israel is more important than his/her policy about supporting the USA?

Because of that text that God will judge the countries that stand up against Israel and divide His land I suppose.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Because of that text that God will judge the countries that stand up against Israel and divide His land I suppose.

God hasn't run a candidate in any presidential election for the USA. Bringing God into a theory about Israel in 2016 is just smoke & mirrors for a USA election.

 

[psalms 91]

God hasn't run a candidate in any presidential election for the USA. Bringing God into a theory about Israel in 2016 is just smoke & mirrors for a USA election.

Personally I would just as soon be for Israel considering how God trweated those who were against her

 

[MoreCoffee]

Personally I would just as soon be for Israel considering how God trweated those who were against her

How did the leaders and rulers of ancient Judah treat God in Christ?

 

[Rens]

How did the leaders and rulers of ancient Judah treat God in Christ?

Not so friendly, so Jerusalem was destroyed. Now better watch out if He brings them back to His land. Different times. I don't believe all that stuff but wasn't it Clinton's house that was destroyed just when he signed something with Israel or maybe Bush, can't see the trees through the bush anymore.

 

[psalms 91]

Not so friendly, so Jerusalem was destroyed. Now better watch out if He brings them back to His land. Different times. I don't believe all that stuff but wasn't it Clinton's house that was destroyed just when he signed something with Israel or maybe Bush, can't see the trees through the bush anymore.

That smacks of the crusades thinking, God has never completely left Israel and never wil

 

[MarkFL]

The thing is, I don't want any political leader making policy decisions based on their religious beliefs. I want them making decisions based on fact and evidence.

 

[tango]

The thing is, I don't want any political leader making policy decisions based on their religious beliefs. I want them making decisions based on fact and evidence.

I don't want a political leader writing legislation based on their personal interpretation of their chosen holy texts. I want government to get out of the way as far as possible and leave me to get on with my life.

 

[MarkFL]

Yes, there is nothing that religion offers that is necessary (unless you want to get elected) or even healthy for government. And I agree, the government should be as small and unintrusive as possible. :thumbsup:

 

[psalms 91]

The thing is, I don't want any political leader making policy decisions based on their religious beliefs. I want them making decisions based on fact and evidence.

Yet most do make decisions based o n what they believe

 

[Rens]

The thing is, I don't want any political leader making policy decisions based on their religious beliefs. I want them making decisions based on fact and evidence.

I don't think that is possible, well, unless...

 

[MoreCoffee]

That smacks of the crusades thinking, God has never completely left Israel and never wil

Right now "Israel" has virtually completely left God.

 

[MoreCoffee]

The thing is, I don't want any political leader making policy decisions based on their religious beliefs. I want them making decisions based on fact and evidence.

Not fact and evidence only, some moral backbone is wanted too and a lot of personal integrity. No one is going to be morally unblemished nobody will be perfect but when a political leader gives their word it ought to be reliable as long as they are alive and in office. They ought to carry it out if they can.

 

[MarkFL]

Not fact and evidence only, some moral backbone is wanted too and a lot of personal integrity. No one is going to be morally unblemished nobody will be perfect but when a political leader gives their word it ought to be reliable as long as they are alive and in office. They ought to carry it out if they can.

But, morality need not come from religion...one need not be religious to have a good sense of morality. One need only look at certain theocratic nations to see how dangerous application of religious morality to law can be.

 

[MoreCoffee]

But, morality need not come from religion...one need not be religious to have a good sense of morality. One need only look at certain theocratic nations to see how dangerous application of religious morality to law can be.

I do not think that Christians (or any religious people of any religion) have the best morals. A look at what Christians are willing to support, excuse, accept, advocate is proof of that. A thoughtful Christian ought to have good morality a bad one will have hypocrisy and that is worse than open immorality.

 

[MarkFL]

I tend to agree, the religious are neither morally superior nor inferior to the non-religious. Being virtuous truly is its own reward.