You said that already a few times. I think we can now close the discussion about Mary.
It never started. It never does.
We just got what we ALWAYS do on this divisive RC de fide dogma - evasion, diversions, dodges, anything to avoid any documentation that this dogma is true (to the level claimed or at at). We do tend to get loud shouts that "Mary Had No Sex Ever" over and over, as if volume and repetition makes something true, but nothing to show it's true - or even anything to indicate whether they care if it's true.
THAT at least is more than we get for most de fide RCC dogmas.... consider the newest RC de fide dogma, one about the Assumption of Mary (1950), rarely can you get a Catholic to say ANYTHING about that divisive de fide dogma - they just try to pretend the dogma doesn't exist. Much the same with the second oldest Catholic de fide dogma - the Infallibility of the RC Denomination's own "Pope" (1870).
But you are right, Rens. We all knew - even as George started this thread - no one would present anything to show it true. As a claimed matter of highest importance, certainty and necessity possible or at all. In the dozen or so such threads I've participated in, that NEVER happens. Just what we've gotten here - evasions, diversions, hijacks, dodges - anything to NOT defend it at true, show it to be true. Not even anything to indicate they care if it's true.
Perhaps that alone gives credence to the typical position of Protestant denominations: Silence. Neither condemning this as damning heresy or affirming it as essential dogma necessary for salvation. Silence. Respectful silence. The same as we see in Scripture, from Mary, from Joseph, from Jesus, from all the Apostles, from everyone who lived in the First Century who even could have known this. If one can't show it true or false, maybe it's best to not declare it DE FIDE DOGMA (a matter of highest certainty, importance and necessity possible) OR condemn it as damning heresy. Maybe it even makes sense to do as Scripture, Mary, Joseph, Jesus, all the Apostles, everyone for LONG after Mary died did - be silent?
Remarkable. Sad.
- Josiah
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