Time and Eternity

[visionary]

The church is present in Rome as well as elsewhere. It's odd that you seek to exclude a city from the grace of God.

No city is excluded from the offer... some cities refuse to repent.

 

[MoreCoffee]

No city is excluded from the offer... some cities refuse to repent.

What happened to the claims about individualism?

 

[visionary]

What happened to the claims about individualism?

When Jonah went to Ninevah, the whole city repented. When the angels visited Sodom and Gomorrah, they did not, and it was down to a few individuals that did.

 

[MoreCoffee]

When Jonah went to Ninevah, the whole city repented. When the angels visited Sodom and Gomorrah, they did not, and it was down to a few individuals that did.

Rome is a city of millions, it is not Ninevah nor is it Sodom or Gomorrah.

 

[visionary]

Rome is a city of millions, it is not Ninevah nor is it Sodom or Gomorrah.

and if it doesn't repent, the few individuals that do will be lead to safety.

 

[MoreCoffee]

and if it doesn't repent, the few individuals that do will be lead to safety.

You've really got it in for Rome haven't you!

 

[psalms 91]

The church is present in Rome as well as elsewhere. It's odd that you seek to exclude a city from the grace of God.

A city yes, individuals being led by the spirit no. You keep wanting to make us believe that because you are a certain denom you are ok and that is not the case

 

[MoreCoffee]

A city yes, individuals being led by the spirit no. You keep wanting to make us believe that because you are a certain denom you are ok and that is not the case

Your opinions about me are not relevant. The one view that does matter is God's. Elevate your own opinions if it pleases you. I will not be taking the condemnations you offer to heart.

 

[psalms 91]

Your opinions about me are not relevant. The one view that does matter is God's. Elevate your own opinions if it pleases you. I will not be taking the condemnations you offer to heart.

No condemnation only fact, unless your experience is individual with the Lord and not corporate or denom then it is useless

 

[MoreCoffee]

No condemnation only fact, unless your experience is individual with the Lord and not corporate or denom then it is useless

Who shall I believe? The Lord Jesus Christ who said when two or more ... or you who says individual or doom? The question is rhetorical, the Lord Jesus Christ is God and completely trustworthy. You are not God.

 

[psalms 91]

Who shall I believe? The Lord Jesus Christ who said when two or more ... or you who says individual or doom? The question is rhetorical, the Lord Jesus Christ is God and completely trustworthy. You are not God.

No I am not but Jesus stands at the door and knocks, that is personal, and it is a personal relationship He desires with each of us and salvation is an individual decision as well, like it or not it is not based on any denom but rather our relationship with Him

 

[MoreCoffee]

No I am not but Jesus stands at the door and knocks, that is personal, and it is a personal relationship He desires with each of us and salvation is an individual decision as well, like it or not it is not based on any denom but rather our relationship with Him

If only that passage were read for what it says rather than forced into a theology that is foreign to its teaching.

And to the Angel of the Church of Laodicea write: Thus says the Amen, the faithful and true Witness, who is the Beginning of the creation of God: I know your works: that you are neither cold, nor hot. I wish that you were either cold or hot. But because you are lukewarm and are neither cold nor hot, I will begin to vomit you out of my mouth. For you declare, "I am wealthy, and I have been enriched further, and I have need of nothing." And you do not know that you are wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked. I urge you to buy from me gold, tested by fire, so that you may be enriched and may be clothed in white vestments, and so that the shame of your nakedness may disappear. And anoint your eyes with an eye salve, so that you may see.

Those whom I love, I rebuke and chastise. Therefore, be zealous and do penance. Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone will hear my voice and will open the door to me, I will enter to him, and I will dine with him, and he with me. Whoever prevails, I will grant to him to sit with me on my throne, just as I also have overcome and have sat down with my Father on his throne. Whoever has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the Churches." [Revelation 3:14-22]​

These words are addressed to the Angel of the Church of Laodicea not to individuals who want to go-it-alone. Hear what the Spirit says to the Churches.

 

[psalms 91]

If only that passage were read for what it says rather than forced into a theology that is foreign to its teaching.

And to the Angel of the Church of Laodicea write: Thus says the Amen, the faithful and true Witness, who is the Beginning of the creation of God: I know your works: that you are neither cold, nor hot. I wish that you were either cold or hot. But because you are lukewarm and are neither cold nor hot, I will begin to vomit you out of my mouth. For you declare, "I am wealthy, and I have been enriched further, and I have need of nothing." And you do not know that you are wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked. I urge you to buy from me gold, tested by fire, so that you may be enriched and may be clothed in white vestments, and so that the shame of your nakedness may disappear. And anoint your eyes with an eye salve, so that you may see.

Those whom I love, I rebuke and chastise. Therefore, be zealous and do penance. Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone will hear my voice and will open the door to me, I will enter to him, and I will dine with him, and he with me. Whoever prevails, I will grant to him to sit with me on my throne, just as I also have overcome and have sat down with my Father on his throne. Whoever has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the Churches." [Revelation 3:14-22]​

These words are addressed to the Angel of the Church of Laodicea not to individuals who want to go-it-alone. Hear what the Spirit says to the Churches.

I didnt say go it alone, I said you must have a personal relationship. I do not go it alone as you say, I am a member of two churchs but I also do not twist things to say that those churchs are all I need, they are not, it is a personal relationship with jesus that I need and every other person needs as well

 

[MoreCoffee]

The holy scriptures say what one needs is God's grace - no additions.

 

[psalms 91]

Twist scripture to say you dont need that relationship but it is still wrong theology

 

[MoreCoffee]

Ephesians 2:8 says that one is saved by grace. What passage says one is saved by a personal relationship with Jesus? Some folk say one must prayer the sinner's prayer to be saved. Other folk say one must speak in tongues to be saved. Some say one must accept certain doctrines to be saved. The holy scriptures say one is saved by grace. Doctrine, repentance in prayer, special gifts are additions. Some additions come with time. Do you really think one must have the additions in order to be saved?

 

[psalms 91]

Ephesians 2:8 says that one is saved by grace. What passage says one is saved by a personal relationship with Jesus? Some folk say one must prayer the sinner's prayer to be saved. Other folk say one must speak in tongues to be saved. Some say one must accept certain doctrines to be saved. The holy scriptures say one is saved by grace. Doctrine, repentance in prayer, special gifts are additions. Some additions come with time. Do you really think one must have the additions in order to be saved?

I think if you dont know Jesus personally then you have a problem and had better get it fixed, I hope you are not saying that you dont know Jesus except through church and not inside you

 

[MoreCoffee]

I think if you dont know Jesus personally then you have a problem and had better get it fixed, I hope you are not saying that you dont know Jesus except through church and not inside you

What the holy scriptures teach is not the same as what you think. You haven't shown a passage that commands the faithful to have a personal relationship with Jesus. Is that because no such passage exists?

The faithful grown in their spiritual life as God gives grace to them and they form a lasting love for God. God loves the faithful and gave himself for them.

 

[psalms 91]

In other words you dont have that relationship?

 

[MoreCoffee]

In other words you dont have that relationship?

How about you sticking to what the holy scriptures teach rather than fooling around with what you think I may or may not have. I've witnessed you speak very wickedly of my church (church being the body of Christ and not a building) so I have great caution in what I am willing to reveal to you about my spirituality.