Jesus is 100% God and 100% man at the same time

[MoreCoffee]

... Scripture DOES state that Jesus is man and Jesus is God.

Yes, but not in the words you've used. No verse says "Jesus is God" though we do have the affirmation that "God was the Word" and other passages in which the teaching is present even though it is somewhat hidden at the same time. Strict demands for bible verse proofs led Arius and those who followed him to affirm the Lord as a creature and hence not as God Almighty and Eternal. Today a similar view is taught by those who call themselves Jehovah's witnesses and also by the Christadelphians. It took some time for Christians to definitively articulate the doctrine of the Blessed Trinity and the Incarnation of the Lord Jesus Christ and they did so in the face of heresies promulgated by men (and some women) who were committed to a kind of "bible alone" method of interpretation. Of course the "bible" that these men used was not one of the sixty six book bibles found in some shops today, the matter of the canon of the new testament was not fully settled by the time of the council of Nicea and the canon of the old testament - settled more by use and acclimation than by deliberate decisions of councils - was not formally decided for quite some time after Nicea.

So as true as it is to state that the holy scriptures do in fact teach the full humanity and the full deity of the Lord Jesus Christ it is also true to state that many disagreed and it took almost five hundred years for the orthodox Nicene and Chalcedonian view to become settled Orthodoxy - some say that some of the churches of the very far east are still not entirely orthodox regarding the incarnation, but I am not sure that such views are correct.

 

[visionary]

Yes, but not in the words you've used. No verse says "Jesus is God" though we do have the affirmation that "God was the Word" and other passages in which the teaching is present even though it is somewhat hidden at the same time. Strict demands for bible verse proofs led Arius and those who followed him to affirm the Lord as a creature and hence not as God Almighty and Eternal. Today a similar view is taught by those who call themselves Jehovah's witnesses and also by the Christadelphians. It took some time for Christians to definitively articulate the doctrine of the Blessed Trinity and the Incarnation of the Lord Jesus Christ and they did so in the face of heresies promulgated by men (and some women) who were committed to a kind of "bible alone" method of interpretation. Of course the "bible" that these men used was not one of the sixty six book bibles found in some shops today, the matter of the canon of the new testament was not fully settled by the time of the council of Nicea and the canon of the old testament - settled more by use and acclimation than by deliberate decisions of councils - was not formally decided for quite some time after Nicea.

So as true as it is to state that the holy scriptures do in fact teach the full humanity and the full deity of the Lord Jesus Christ it is also true to state that many disagreed and it took almost five hundred years for the orthodox Nicene and Chalcedonian view to become settled Orthodoxy - some say that some of the churches of the very far east are still not entirely orthodox regarding the incarnation, but I am not sure that such views are correct.

Peter gets it...

Matthew 16: 15"But what about you?" he (Yeshua) asked. "Who do you say I am?" 16Simon Peter answered, "You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God." Yeshua replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven.

John 10: 30 I and the Father are One, He who has seen me has seen the Father....

 

[MoreCoffee]

Thinking about what this thread is about and what is most distinct about Christ's religion when compared with other religions of the world I came across the idea that of all the system of belief in the world it is Christianity alone (apparently) that is chiefly concerned with who its founder is. No Muslim thinks of Mohamed as anything but a man, no Buddhist thinks of the Buddha as anything but a man who found enlightenment, no Jew thinks of Moses are more than a man but every Christian is passionately concerned about who Jesus is - he is 100% God and 100% man, he is the second person of the Blessed Trinity, he is God incarnate.

 

[Josiah]

Deleted my me.... awesome stuff (wink) but a bit off topic, thus...

 

[Pedrito]

... Continued

More fun for the Reader.

Which represents exegesis (critical explanation or interpretation), and which represents eisegesis (an interpretation of Scripture that expresses the interpreter's own ideas, bias, or the like, rather than the meaning of the text)?

The texts below were among those offered by Lämmchen to prove that Jesus was 100% God while He walked the Earth.

From Lämmchen's Post #4 on Page 1:

Lämmchen:

John 8:58

Analysis:
John 8:58:

Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Naturally. He was the Logos (Word) through whom God created all things. John 1:3 (note: most translations say “through him”):

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Lämmchen:
rules over everything

Matthew 28:18

Analysys:
Matthew 28:18:

And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

As pointed out before, this was after His resurrection, was it not?

And that verse raises the question: by whom was power given to Jesus? And why was it necessary for it to be given?

Continued ...

 

[Lamb]

... Continued


Analysys:
Matthew 28:18:

As pointed out before, this was after His resurrection, was it not?

And that verse raises the question: by whom was power given to Jesus? And why was it necessary for it to be given?

Continued ...

The verse does not say all power wasn't given to him until after the resurrection. Please provide a verse that actually states what you're trying to prove.

 

[visionary]

The verse does not say all power wasn't given to him until after the resurrection. Please provide a verse that actually states what you're trying to prove.

I thought He set it down and humbled Himself unto death then resurrected and picked it back up again.

Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, who, although he existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. Being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross (Philippians 2:5-8).

The Bible does not say that God changed into a human being but rather than God became a human being without ceasing to be God. The Bible says that Yeshua does not change. Yeshua is God in the Flesh.

Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever (Hebrews 13:8).

Jesus emptied Himself in at least three different ways. First, He voluntarily accepted the limitations of being a human being. Second, He glory was hidden from the people. Third, He gave up the independent use of His relative attributes (all-knowing, all-powerful, everywhere present, etc.).

He Experienced The Limitations Of A Human Being

Yeshua is the eternal God who took on the flesh of a human.

In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God. (John 1:1).


And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw his glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth (John 1:14).

Yeshua was still God while He was here upon the earth. The glory of God was such that no human could look at it and live. This glory that belong to Yeshua was veiled. At the end of His life He prayed to His Father to restore His former glory.

I have glorified you on the earth. I have finished the work which you have given me to do. And now, O Father, glorify me together with yourself, with the glory which I had with you before the world was (John 17:4,5).

After His Ascension His glory was no longer veiled. We read in the Book of Revelation.

When I saw him, I fell at his feet like a dead man. And he placed his right hand on me, saying, "Do not be afraid; I am the first and the last (Revelation 1:17).

1st Timothy 3:16 says, “...God was manifest in the flesh...” Colossians 2:9 says, “...For in him [Yeshua] dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.” “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty” (Revelation 1:8) Isaiah 42:8 says, “I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.” John 8:58, “Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.”

 

[Lamb]

When Jesus took on flesh, He remained 100% God and 100% man. He wasn't part God or part man and scripture doesn't give any indication of him being only man while on earth...He was still God.

 

[visionary]

When Jesus took on flesh, He remained 100% God and 100% man. He wasn't part God or part man and scripture doesn't give any indication of him being only man while on earth...He was still God.

You and I are in agreement. The Bible does not say that God changed into a human being but rather than God became a human being without ceasing to be God. The Bible says that Yeshua does not change. Yeshua is God in the Flesh.

 

[MoreCoffee]

You and I are in agreement. The Bible does not say that God changed into a human being but rather than God became a human being without ceasing to be God. The Bible says that Yeshua does not change. Yeshua is God in the Flesh.

I am wondering who the faithful ought to think the Father is given that Jesus is God manifest in the flesh. As saint Paul wrote "for us there is only one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist".

 

[visionary]

I am wondering who the faithful ought to think the Father is given that Jesus is God manifest in the flesh. As saint Paul wrote "for us there is only one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist".

One and the same...

 

[MoreCoffee]

One and the same...

In what was or ways?

 

[visionary]

In what was or ways?

Meet Him and learn from Him.. because He is beyond a finite mind to comprehend. God will take that 10% functioning brain of man and open it to understand infinite, but when He is done, the finite mind returns to 10% and infinite defies the perfect linear thinking as He is more dimensional than what we know or understand. So all I can say is MEET HIM... and then you will begin to understand that this looking in the mirror darkly doesn't even come close to the truth in all it Glory, especially when you are talking about defining God.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Meet Him and learn from Him.. because He is beyond a finite mind to comprehend. God will take that 10% functioning brain of man and open it to understand infinite, but when He is done, the finite mind returns to 10% and infinite defies the perfect linear thinking as He is more dimensional than what we know or understand. So all I can say is MEET HIM... and then you will begin to understand that this looking in the mirror darkly doesn't even come close to the truth in all it Glory, especially when you are talking about defining God.

I am not asking you to tell me something I know nothing of I am asking you what you mean when you say that the Lord Jesus Christ and the Father in heaven are One and the same...

 

[visionary]

I am not asking you to tell me something I know nothing of I am asking you what you mean when you say that the Lord Jesus Christ and the Father in heaven are One and the same...

You are party line and experience will be the only way for you to see outside of the box man has put your thinking in.

 

[MoreCoffee]

You are party line and experience will be the only way for you to see outside of the box man has put your thinking in.

I suspect that you learned your theology from your faith community. I did from one. God intends it to be thus.

 

[psalms 91]

I suspect that you learned your theology from your faith community. I did from one. God intends it to be thus.

God wants us to learn from the Holy Spirit, not from man

 

[MoreCoffee]

God wants us to learn from the Holy Spirit, not from man

The Holy Spirit is present in the community of faith, it is what the Lord Promised when he said "Lo, I am with you (plural you) always, even to the end of the ages." And when he promised that "I will send the comforter to be with you (plural)". It is never wise to go it alone when God created the body of Christ so you need never go it alone.

 

[psalms 91]

We are to gather to help each other but it is the Spirit that is the teacher and our walk is personal and one on one with Jesus anything less and you are not walking with God

 

[MoreCoffee]

We are to gather to help each other but it is the Spirit that is the teacher and our walk is personal and one on one with Jesus anything less and you are not walking with God

The Holy Spirit was not promised to individuals apart from the body of Christ. His coming is for the church as the body of Christ. Go it alone individualism is not biblical.