History, facts, data ... and racism in the USA

[Rens]

We don't have a black peter in Oz, ours is dressed in Green

in green?
That's awesome. We should adopt him. Problem solved.

 

[MoreCoffee]

in green?
That's awesome. We should adopt him. Problem solved.

I suspect he thinks he is Irish

 

[Highlander]

Yes but I never heard this side of the story. Only thing you see on tv is that they get killed or put in prison for nothing.

Have you ever stopped to realize that the VAST majority of blacks who are murdered are murdered by OTHER blacks? And a criminal is never put in prison for nothing -- there is always a crime committed for which they are convicted. It is good to try and read the stitches on the fastball and understand the true reality behind what comes before our eyes.

As MoreCoffee said, black people CAN be racists. Many of them are. And it is racism, in itself, to think this is impossible.

 

[Rens]

Have you ever stopped to realize that the VAST majority of blacks who are murdered are murdered by OTHER blacks? And a criminal is never put in prison for nothing -- there is always a crime committed for which they are convicted. It is good to try and read the stitches on the fastball and understand the true reality behind what comes before our eyes.

As MoreCoffee said, black people CAN be racists. Many of them are. And it is racism, in itself, to think this is impossible.

I only saw some documentaries from guys who did nothing but because they were black and all blacks look the same if you're stupid some women who got raped said: that's him! But that's not an exclusive thing for blacks or that cops kill them for stealing cigarettes. They also shot a mentally ill white man for doing nothing. I think it happens more with blacks though that they're put in prison without having done anything. Happens in Holland too. Read it on Facebook from a guy. Lost his job, couldn't see his kids and he was innocent and put in prison a few months. A guy from church is black. Real nice guy. He always plays soccer with my kids. I saw how they treated him in the train. Insane and he just stayed friendly, guess he had gotten used to it. Whites don't get treated like that. My ex is from Indonesia and he got discriminated sometimes for having a color. Police looking with suspicion. LOL we had prayer meetings from 6 to 8 in the morning in a church building we rented and he took this tiny matrass with him to kneel on while praying. A white Dutch woman had seen us come out of the building and she told the guy we rented it from: They're keeping refugees in that church! I saw one with a matrass!
Lol that was funny.

 

[psalms 91]

Actually pretty sad. Discrimination is alive everywhere

 

[Rens]

Actually pretty sad. Discrimination is alive everywhere

Yes but that Indonesian guy who heard it from the owner couldn't stop laughing. Hey I heard you're an asylum seeker with a matrass.

 

[Rens]

Some just make fun of this nonsense.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8QISrRycitE

 

[PezGirl73]

I only saw some documentaries from guys who did nothing but because they were black and all blacks look the same if you're stupid some women who got raped said: that's him! But that's not an exclusive thing for blacks or that cops kill them for stealing cigarettes. They also shot a mentally ill white man for doing nothing. I think it happens more with blacks though that they're put in prison without having done anything. Happens in Holland too. Read it on Facebook from a guy. Lost his job, couldn't see his kids and he was innocent and put in prison a few months. A guy from church is black. Real nice guy. He always plays soccer with my kids. I saw how they treated him in the train. Insane and he just stayed friendly, guess he had gotten used to it. Whites don't get treated like that. My ex is from Indonesia and he got discriminated sometimes for having a color. Police looking with suspicion. LOL we had prayer meetings from 6 to 8 in the morning in a church building we rented and he took this tiny matrass with him to kneel on while praying. A white Dutch woman had seen us come out of the building and she told the guy we rented it from: They're keeping refugees in that church! I saw one with a matrass!
Lol that was funny.

I lived in Detroit...the heart of Detroit.
We were the minority there, and we paid dearly for it. Black people harassed us constantly, telling us we should move. Our house got egged every halloween. My son couldn't play in the backyard because of the punks who would try to climb our fence and call him whitey and cracker. I was refused service at a local convenience store because "even though you're the pastor's wife, you still the wrong color, honey. Shop elsewhere."

My brother is married to a black woman. Their children are biracial. In kindergarten, before we convinced my brother to send his kids to a Christian school, the other black girls in my nieces' class told them they weren't black enough. They got called brownies and oreos. One of the boys called them both mocha mullattos. The girls came home one say and told my SIL that they didn't like her anymore. When my SIL asked why, they answered "because you married a white boy" - the girls (again, the black ones) had told them that their mommy was a sell out and an Uncle Tom. And these were KINDERGARTNERS!

Discrimination happens, but it happens to a lot of people, not just black people. And I believe that black people tend to be even MORE discriminatory.

 

[Rens]

I lived in Detroit...the heart of Detroit.
We were the minority there, and we paid dearly for it. Black people harassed us constantly, telling us we should move. Our house got egged every halloween. My son couldn't play in the backyard because of the punks who would try to climb our fence and call him whitey and cracker. I was refused service at a local convenience store because "even though you're the pastor's wife, you still the wrong color, honey. Shop elsewhere."

My brother is married to a black woman. Their children are biracial. In kindergarten, before we convinced my brother to send his kids to a Christian school, the other black girls in my nieces' class told them they weren't black enough. They got called brownies and oreos. One of the boys called them both mocha mullattos. The girls came home one say and told my SIL that they didn't like her anymore. When my SIL asked why, they answered "because you married a white boy" - the girls (again, the black ones) had told them that their mommy was a sell out and an Uncle Tom. And these were KINDERGARTNERS!

Discrimination happens, but it happens to a lot of people, not just black people. And I believe that black people tend to be even MORE discriminatory.

Eeeww that's horrible.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Eeeww that's horrible.

No one was shot though.

 

[MarkFL]

I would say virtually everyone holds certain prejudices within them. I think it's part of human nature, to have an "us vs. them" view of others. Since I am neither an expert in psychology, nor in anthropology, I will keep my speculations about why this is to myself. However, I think most of us can agree that this is what we observe in humanity as a whole. There is no shortage in the number of ways we can differentiate between them and us, and no group can say they are entirely immune from it.

We see a stranger in public, and within mere seconds at most, we already know whether that person is most likely us or them based on appearances alone. We have been carefully taught by our respective in-groups what "they" are all about, and why we are superior to them, why we should fear, detest, oppress and shun them. We treat them as such, and they respond negatively, and our preconceived notions are then reinforced.

Only those who rise up high enough to look beyond the superficial differences to see the staggering similarities can break out of this feedback loop. This doesn't mean all prejudices will then magically disappear, but if we can see that just one notion is wrong, that makes it easier to challenge other notions we have been taught about "them" as well.

 

[Rens]

I would say virtually everyone holds certain prejudices within them. I think it's part of human nature, to have an "us vs. them" view of others. Since I am neither an expert in psychology, nor in anthropology, I will keep my speculations about why this is to myself. However, I think most of us can agree that this is what we observe in humanity as a whole. There is no shortage in the number of ways we can differentiate between them and us, and no group can say they are entirely immune from it.

We see a stranger in public, and within mere seconds at most, we already know whether that person is most likely us or them based on appearances alone. We have been carefully taught by our respective in-groups what "they" are all about, and why we are superior to them, why we should fear, detest, oppress and shun them. We treat them as such, and they respond negatively, and our preconceived notions are then reinforced.

Only those who rise up high enough to look beyond the superficial differences to see the staggering similarities can break out of this feedback loop. This doesn't mean all prejudices will then magically disappear, but if we can see that just one notion is wrong, that makes it easier to challenge other notions we have been taught about "them" as well.

Yes it vanishes when you befriend them. In the former village where I lived people from all races got along well because they mixed it. We had Turkish neighbours, Moroccans living in the cheaper apartment behind it. In bigger cities the whites and succesful coloured ones went to the rich villages surrounding the city and the city had parts full of Moroccons causing trouble, they lived in those cheap apartments.
They just got them to Holland in the seventies to do the dirty cheap jobs the Dutch felt too good for to do. You got State money if you had no job anyway.
Now it's with the Polish who work for nothing and live with 10 in a tiny apartment. My ex picked one up from the street who slept with us a few dsys. Lol everyone who visited was like: oh okay and you are gonna do something about this house I suppose?
He came in, WOW! he exclaimed! Whst a wonderful house and such beautiful walls! Lol they were just painted white.

 

[psalms 91]

I lived in Detroit...the heart of Detroit.
We were the minority there, and we paid dearly for it. Black people harassed us constantly, telling us we should move. Our house got egged every halloween. My son couldn't play in the backyard because of the punks who would try to climb our fence and call him whitey and cracker. I was refused service at a local convenience store because "even though you're the pastor's wife, you still the wrong color, honey. Shop elsewhere."

My brother is married to a black woman. Their children are biracial. In kindergarten, before we convinced my brother to send his kids to a Christian school, the other black girls in my nieces' class told them they weren't black enough. They got called brownies and oreos. One of the boys called them both mocha mullattos. The girls came home one say and told my SIL that they didn't like her anymore. When my SIL asked why, they answered "because you married a white boy" - the girls (again, the black ones) had told them that their mommy was a sell out and an Uncle Tom. And these were KINDERGARTNERS!

Discrimination happens, but it happens to a lot of people, not just black people. And I believe that black people tend to be even MORE discriminatory.

That has been my experience as well

 

[PezGirl73]

No one was shot though.

I did have a gun shoved in my face when I opened the door once. That wasn't fun.



I remember when we decided to take our baby for walk (I was pregnant with the second child) and when we walked out there were police cars everywhere and we were told to go back inside. Then they asked if they could use our front porch as a start-off point for their yellow crime tape. Turns out the guy three houses down from us had gotten out of prison and of course went straight to his ex-girlfriend's house and started to beat her up. She called police the minute he pulled up, so they were there pretty quickly. Anyway, they're calling for him to come out, so he does. He's got a knife. They keep calling for him to drop the knife. An officer was approaching him and he lunged at the officer and another officer shot him. We saw the guy loaded up into the ambulance. He was awake, alert, but he had been shot in the chest and my husband knew right away it was a fatal shot.

For WEEKS I kept checking the newspaper to see when they'd report this death, since it was a police-related incidence. In those weeks, a few guys had been roughed up by cops during arrests for resisting arrest. One guy got bit by the K9 unit. Two of these got huge headlines in the Detroit Free Press. They were all alive, but in jail of course - but the media even back then was excoriating the cops for getting "rough".

I can only conclude that the man that was killed by police that day never made the headlines because he was white. All of these people were criminals, but the people got more upset at cops trying to control a guy resisting arrest than they did cops shooting a white guy with a knife.

That was 7 years ago. I don't think things have gotten better there, that's for sure.

 

[psalms 91]

I am sure they havent

 

[Lamb]

I did have a gun shoved in my face when I opened the door once. That wasn't fun.



I remember when we decided to take our baby for walk (I was pregnant with the second child) and when we walked out there were police cars everywhere and we were told to go back inside. Then they asked if they could use our front porch as a start-off point for their yellow crime tape. Turns out the guy three houses down from us had gotten out of prison and of course went straight to his ex-girlfriend's house and started to beat her up. She called police the minute he pulled up, so they were there pretty quickly. Anyway, they're calling for him to come out, so he does. He's got a knife. They keep calling for him to drop the knife. An officer was approaching him and he lunged at the officer and another officer shot him. We saw the guy loaded up into the ambulance. He was awake, alert, but he had been shot in the chest and my husband knew right away it was a fatal shot.

For WEEKS I kept checking the newspaper to see when they'd report this death, since it was a police-related incidence. In those weeks, a few guys had been roughed up by cops during arrests for resisting arrest. One guy got bit by the K9 unit. Two of these got huge headlines in the Detroit Free Press. They were all alive, but in jail of course - but the media even back then was excoriating the cops for getting "rough".

I can only conclude that the man that was killed by police that day never made the headlines because he was white. All of these people were criminals, but the people got more upset at cops trying to control a guy resisting arrest than they did cops shooting a white guy with a knife.

That was 7 years ago. I don't think things have gotten better there, that's for sure.

Do you still live in the same area? I'd be so scared.

I hate it that the media dictates so much!

 

[visionary]

Socialism fails to upgrade anyone into leadership, strength of character, conviction to go it alone and make something of themselves. Socialism never creates entrepreneurs. To depend on the system is to declare to yourself first that you are helpless. To depend on the system is demoralizing, frustrating, and leads to downward spirals. Doesn't matter what socialistic programs sound like, set up for, created for, involve, they are not ultimate benefit for anyone.

That is different from social programs, in which all benefit from the services of fire departments, police departments, charities, etc which believe collectively we help each other, protect each other, etc. Socialism that is dangerous in when the government oversteps its boundaries to dictate with force the right to collect water off your roof, get off the grid, grow your own food, etc.

 

[visionary]

Would you say that China is showing racism? http://libertyunyielding.com/2016/0...d-carpet-arrival-delegation-shouted-harassed/

 

[MarkFL]

No, that's not because of his racial heritage, that's because of his nationality I would say. Being denied a red carpet isn't what I'd call a systematic oppression either.

 

[visionary]

No, that's not because of his racial heritage, that's because of his nationality I would say. Being denied a red carpet isn't what I'd call a systematic oppression either.

How about a deliberate... "non welcome mat"?