History, facts, data ... and racism in the USA

[MoreCoffee]

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On average, black men's prison sentences are 20% longer than white men's for comparable crimes: http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB1000142...

Black people and white people use illegal drugs at similar rates, but black people are far more likely to be arrested for drug use: http://www.vox.com/2014/7/1/5850830/w...

African Americans are far more likely to be stopped and searched (although the contraband hit rate is higher among white people) in California: http://articles.latimes.com/2008/oct/...

And in New York (where the data isn't quite as good but appears to be comparable to CA): http://www.nyclu.org/content/nypd-qua...

Those wrongfully convicted and later exonerated by DNA are disproportionately African American: http://www.innocenceproject.org/Conte...

Black kids are far more likely to be tried as adults and more likely to receive life sentences: http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/...

Black former convicts get fewer employer callbacks than white former convicts: http://www.irp.wisc.edu/publications/...

Emily and Brendan are more hirable than Lakisha and Jamal: http://www.chicagobooth.edu/capideas/...

On that front, this study is also interesting: http://psycnet.apa.org/journals/apl/9... and similar results have been found in the UK: http://www.theguardian.com/money/2009... and also in Australia: http://ftp.iza.org/dp4947.pdf

Also, this news story has some great analysis: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/25/bus...

High schools with mostly African American and Latino students are less likely to offer courses in Algebra II or Chemistry than high schools with mostly white students: https://www.documentcloud.org/documen...

This article explores many of the other ways that increasingly segregated schools have negatively affected African American students: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/21/sun...

And this story discusses the fact that African American students are more than twice as likely to be suspended as white students--even in preschool. http://www.npr.org/blogs/codeswitch/2...

The ACP report on racial disparities in U.S. health care: http://www.acponline.org/advocacy/cur...
This (dated) study is also damning: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/36... and there's lot of good info here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and...

More info on increasing disparities in life expectancy between black and white people in the US: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/artic...

The most recent polls show fewer white people thinking racism is not a problem than the ones I used in this video (although still a huge divide): http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/22/politic... and http://www.washingtonpost.com/politic... and http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2014/12...

Racial wealth disparity and the role that inheritance plays: http://iasp.brandeis.edu/pdfs/Author/...
Related wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_i...

The widening of the wealth gap: http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/...

Nonvideo recommendations: I really like Roxane Gay's work in Slate and The Butter; this story in the NYT http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/25/bus... Chris Rock's recent interview at http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news..., and Ashley Ford's commentary and analysis: http://gawker.com/my-vassar-college-faculty-id-makes-everything-ok-1664133077...

 

[Josiah]

I suppose Australia has perfect equality.....

 

[MoreCoffee]

The first video in this thread is referenced in this second video about a book called Invisible Man

 

[Highlander]

Black people also commit most of the violent crime in the USA -- FAR, FAR above their percentage of the population. This is why there are more blacks in prision that other races. When you commit most of the crime, your demographic is automatically going to lead the league in convictions.

The school systems that black children belong to, with inadequate teaching, is always run by the Democrat party.

Black people are more likely to die early than other people because of the extreme violence within their culture. When a black person insinuates racism because he is more likely to be murdered than a white person, he virtually never points out that the person who is likely to murder him is ANOTHER black person.

 

[JPPT1974]

Really that is very scary. And that it is very sad as there needs to be help for them. In order to beat this. But the key is if they want that help.

 

[psalms 91]

Why is it that Dems always get the blame for these things? The Republicans cut ptograms to help them, ignore what is going on and hope that business will provide (trickle down theory) and then they wonder why they dont get the black vote in huge numbers

 

[Ackbach]

The solution isn't political programs, or the government at all. The government is completely helpless to solve the problem, except to continue fighting crime. That'll help some.

The solution is the gospel, because it is out of a man's heart that his words and actions flow. If the Holy Spirit changes a man, and makes him right vertically, with God, then the horizontal dimension of living rightly with your fellow man, at peace, falls out of that.

What we need to do is to take the gospel to the black man, the white man, the whoever man. It's what we all need. We need to pray that the Holy Spirit will change people's hearts.

This is still the first step. It's by far the most important step, but it is the first. Let us suppose that the Holy Spirit creates a revival, and we now have a gospel community. We will still need to help those in need by teaching them to fish (rather than giving them fish). Granted, there are those who can't take care of themselves at all, and I believe the church should help them. There are very few of those, however. The vast majority of needy people can be trained to a profession.

Notice how the government is conspicuously absent in my solution. The government can only create much bigger problems, not solve the problems we have right now. The government creates a dependency culture with its highly unethical "wealth redistribution plan" called welfare (the biblical name for this plan is "theft"). If you create an incentive for unwed mothers to have more children out of wedlock, you should not be surprised when that happens, and the poverty cycle perpetuates itself.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Maybe republicans and conservative Christians are more racist than others?

 

[psalms 91]

The solution isn't political programs, or the government at all. The government is completely helpless to solve the problem, except to continue fighting crime. That'll help some.

The solution is the gospel, because it is out of a man's heart that his words and actions flow. If the Holy Spirit changes a man, and makes him right vertically, with God, then the horizontal dimension of living rightly with your fellow man, at peace, falls out of that.

What we need to do is to take the gospel to the black man, the white man, the whoever man. It's what we all need. We need to pray that the Holy Spirit will change people's hearts.

This is still the first step. It's by far the most important step, but it is the first. Let us suppose that the Holy Spirit creates a revival, and we now have a gospel community. We will still need to help those in need by teaching them to fish (rather than giving them fish). Granted, there are those who can't take care of themselves at all, and I believe the church should help them. There are very few of those, however. The vast majority of needy people can be trained to a profession.

Notice how the government is conspicuously absent in my solution. The government can only create much bigger problems, not solve the problems we have right now. The government creates a dependency culture with its highly unethical "wealth redistribution plan" called welfare (the biblical name for this plan is "theft"). If you create an incentive for unwed mothers to have more children out of wedlock, you should not be surprised when that happens, and the poverty cycle perpetuates itself.

I dont disagree with this but first you have to get people willing to move out of the church and do it. Most will not.

 

[Ackbach]

Maybe republicans and conservative Christians are more racist than others?

And the biblical basis for leveling the serious charge of partiality (which is the biblical name for the sin of racism) at "Republicans and Conservative Christians" is... what? This is a serious question. If you're calling me racist, then I seriously want to know what actions or words of mine are the offensive ones, and the biblical case against me. I'm assuming that you're including me in the category of "Republicans and Conservative Christians". I would actually self-identify in the second category, but not the first. I now disagree considerably with the Republican Party in the U.S. I would call myself more a radical, but not in the Saul Alinsky sense. I am in favor of radical solutions (usually not involving the government) to problems. I'm much more closely aligned politically with the Constitution Party than any other party.

 

[Ackbach]

I dont disagree with this but first you have to get people willing to move out of the church and do it. Most will not.

I'm sure you're probably right, which tells to the important question of needing revival inside the church as well as outside. Where is the church caring for widows and orphans? Some are, many are not.

 

[Josiah]

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Democrats..... Racism/sexism..... Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King


Americans have practically sainted Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. And we have declared his "I got a dream" speech as the most admired, most revered, most important speech of the 20th Century. I quite agree with this. That man.... that speech.... was all about the end of racism. He said (this is from my memory of this speech DRILLED into every American), "I dream of a day when my children will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."

His dream remains completely allusive - and while sin is primarily to blame (and sin is universal), liberals and democrats work HARD to institionalize racism in this country. I blame them more than others. They seem OBSESSED (and I use that in the sense of psychological illness) with racism - with skin color, ethnicity, first language, gender - OBSESSED. Going on and on and on and on and on about what the skin color is.... what the gender is.... what the ethnicity is..... One of Hillary's biggest pitches is that she is a woman, "don't you think it's time to have a WOMAN in the while house?!" Liberals are OBSESSED with what race our current president is; the campaign 8 years ago never moved far from the point that Obama would be America's first African American president (actually, he's HALF African American). To his great credit, Obama himself NEVER, NEVER brings up his race - but Liberals and Democrats do constantly.

MEANWHILE, there have been a complete, absolute abandoning the the thing King prayed for - a focus on CHARACTER. Are liberals obsessed with Hillary's CHARACTER? Were they obsessed with her husbands' morality with that young intern? No.... they work HARD - very hard - to eliminate even the word "character" from the American mindset and blame Republicans and conservatives for even mentioning it. Oh how Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King must be rolling over in his grave..... He himself left the Republican party (he was active in it in his early days) because the Dems promised him much (including Kennedy, whom he chose last minute to support) - but we only see how they have institutionalized the opposite of King's dream, doing their best to lock in racism.

Liberals have institutionalized racism..... you can't apply for a loan without stating your skin color. You can't apply to college without declaring your skin color, ethnicity, gender, first language..... but it's forbidden to even inquire about character. I just got a new car insurance policy... and yup, there it was, mandating by liberal law makers.... what is my skin color? My ethnicity? Nothing about character...... We recently bought a house and yup, what was all over that mortgage application? Our skin color.... our ethnicty.... our gender. Not a thing about character. We have an HOA and guess what: what is our skin color? What is our ethnicity? Not a thing about character. Liberals require this OBSESSION with the very thing Martin Luther King dreamed would be forgotten, rendered entirely and wholly irrelevant: race. Liberals have INSTITIONALIZED this obsession with skin color (and now gender). Oh how Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King must be rolling over in his grave.

IF liberals agreed with Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr...... IF they actually agreed with the man they sainted..... then they wouldn't notice the race or ethnicity or gender of anyone.... NOR WOULD THEY CARE!!!!!!! They wouldn't ask because it totally doesn't matter. They would never so much as mention Hillary's gender or Obama's race because it's entirely irrelevant and they don't even notice and certainly don't care. They wouldn't care whether one is a while, Germanic, middle-class, male like me..... because they don't even notice it OR CARE. They would insist such is completely, totally, entirely irrelevant. What would they be obsessed about? The CHARACTER of their heart! Their integrity, honesty, morality, ethnics. Such as what goes on under the desk of the president with an intern.... what is said about emails or embassy attacks that are outright lies..... they would be talking about CHARACTER, INTEGRITY, HONESTY.

I agree with Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. I embrace his dream. And while there is enough blame to go around, I note how Liberals and Democrats have institutionalized racism in this country (and now sexism along with it) to keep King's dream of a colorless society focused on CHARACTER rather than race from being realized. Shame on them.



My half cent.


- Josiah

 

[MoreCoffee]

And the biblical basis for leveling the serious charge of partiality (which is the biblical name for the sin of racism) at "Republicans and Conservative Christians" is... what? This is a serious question. If you're calling me racist, then I seriously want to know what actions or words of mine are the offensive ones, and the biblical case against me. I'm assuming that you're including me in the category of "Republicans and Conservative Christians". I would actually self-identify in the second category, but not the first. I now disagree considerably with the Republican Party in the U.S. I would call myself more a radical, but not in the Saul Alinsky sense. I am in favor of radical solutions (usually not involving the government) to problems. I'm much more closely aligned politically with the Constitution Party than any other party.

Nominating Donald Trump with his overtly racist statements is the basis.

 

[psalms 91]

He is a mental case seriously

 

[MoreCoffee]

He is a mental case seriously

Could be, yet he is the Republican nominee and 12 million people voted for him.

 

[psalms 91]

Could be, yet he is the Republican nominee and 12 million people voted for him.

Yup says a lot about the state our country is in

 

[Josiah]

Nominating Donald Trump with his overtly racist statements is the basis.

I HOPE (and tend to believe) that MANY voted for Trump (many of them not Republicans) in spite of the stupid, dangerous, wrong, embarrassing things he often said. There is much about this I don't understand, but there is something going on in the USA (maybe around the world) that is simply ANTI.... a sort of popularist movement..... he is seen as a "straight shooter" a "non-politician" one who says what he thinks/feels even when it's STUPID... and that all seems to appeal to some. There was a bit of that in the Bernie Sanders campaign with the Dems, too. I don't claim to begin to understand this. We could see the termination of "politics" has it has existed for many decades, maybe the end of the Republican and Democrat Parties, I don't know, I don't claim to BEGIN to know.... but I know a few people (not many!) who admit to voting for Trump - and not one of them is nuts like Trump, not one of them REMOTELY agrees with the absurd things Trump has said, one even laughs out loud at the ".... and the Mexicans will pay for it!" thing. Again, I don't claim to understand what is going on..... I'm totally stumped.

I'm leaning toward voting for the Constitution Party nominee, even though I disagree with him on many points. But I'm never afraid or embarrassed by him.... I don't think he should be in prison or in a mental institution, lol.



- Josiah

 

[Ackbach]

[MENTION=60]MoreCoffee[/MENTION]: Whew! Well, if voting for Trump is enough to make you racist, I'm happy that I don't qualify on that count, at least. Trump's demeaning tone to women alone is enough to lose my vote.

You mentioned "Conservative Christian" as well, though. What do you mean by "Conservative"? Is this simply the same category you said before?

 

[PezGirl73]

Why is it that Dems always get the blame for these things? The Republicans cut ptograms to help them, ignore what is going on and hope that business will provide (trickle down theory) and then they wonder why they dont get the black vote in huge numbers

Because it's often democrat-controlled cities that are failing.

Look at Detroit and Flint as good examples.

How many times has Detroit been bailed out?

 

[Rens]

I thought that America was racist and I'm sure there are racists, but since last night I think about it differently when a guy from cc said he was being terrorized by his black drug addict neighbours. They threatened him and his 80 some year old parents for being white. Ruin the car. They are being discriminated, not the other way around. His parents had lived there for 63 years and don't want to move, but it's turned into a dangerous ghetto. They just drive the whites out like in South Africa where the whites are now being discriminated. Police can't do anything. Don't understand why they don''t move though.
It's easy talking in Holland where the church is full of kind black people and noone on the street bothers you.