Name those sins Christ didn't die for

[Lamb]

until he has had enough . and with ananias and sapphire that rope was short .. because he will not tolerate people trampling christ under foot after all he endured for us .
it makes no difference how many times he calls us to repentance, the call does not save us .. the obedience to the call to repent brings us to salvation .
we are saved from a CERTAIN damnation..only a fool would trifle with it .continued sin makes fools of us .

There is a Joy in being free that surpasses all earthly joy. the Joy of laying down each night and waking each morning with a clear conscience , and it is maintained by keeping ones eyes on jesus listening to him and doing what he is telling you to do ... you simply cant sin while you are acting in obedience .

Do you see the Law and Gospel of some of the things you brought up? The Law points us to what we're doing wrong. It tells us we're going down so to speak. It's the Gospel that shows us God's love, mercy and forgiveness.

 

[psalms 91]

Providing we avail ourselves of that forgiveness

 

[Lamb]

Avail means to be of use or value.

Our forgiveness was won at the cross because we could not do it. Our value comes in that we're all God's children. We cannot earn forgiveness. It's gift talk every time.

 

[Alithis]

Do you see the Law and Gospel of some of the things you brought up? The Law points us to what we're doing wrong. It tells us we're going down so to speak. It's the Gospel that shows us God's love, mercy and forgiveness.

Law and goodnews

Live it .
Jesus set us free from the curse of the law.
He got the law done.
Now we can get on with it.

So go and live the new life in christ.
I assure you ..it does not include works of unrightousness.
No stealing
No lieing
No adultary(sexual immorality)
No coveting (endless lust of matarial gian in greed)
No murder etc ....

Go and live the new life in christ Jesus.

To do so we must first repent of sin ,Die into his death by being buried with him ,by faith, in baptism ,that we might also be raised up with him a new creation in christ Jesus.
Then go follow him and do what he tells us to do. He will never tell us to do an act of unrightousness. So as long as we listen and obey him..we wont do actioos contrary to the perfect law of life.because love does not break life ..it perpetuates life.

 

[Alithis]

When I think of Ananias and Sapphires it makes me realize that my debt of love is never paid but further that I had pledged my whole life to Him and how often I shortchange Him.

And... You (as i ) learn of our error and press on ... We do not remain there comitting the same error over and over. We do not continue to practice that shortfall,that missing of the mark.. (Sin)
No.we are renewed in our minds and we change our behaviour because of it.and are transformed more into his image. And are no longer conformed to this world.

None of this takes place without our own will to obey God in all these things.
The lord jesus has completly made all this possible..without the work he acomplished on the cross we could do none of it.
But he has acomplished freedom for us. Where formely we could not obey because we were slaves to sin... Now,we are set free from forced servitude to sin that we might ,in love ,submit ourselves to being slaves to rightouness unto everlasting life.

All because of what Jesus has done for us on the cross.

 

[Lamb]

Law and goodnews

Live it .
Jesus set us free from the curse of the law.
He got the law done.
Now we can get on with it.

So go and live the new life in christ.
I assure you ..it does not include works of unrightousness.
No stealing
No lieing
No adultary(sexual immorality)
No coveting (endless lust of matarial gian in greed)
No murder etc ....

Go and live the new life in christ Jesus.

To do so we must first repent of sin ,Die into his death by being buried with him ,by faith, in baptism ,that we might also be raised up with him a new creation in christ Jesus.
Then go follow him and do what he tells us to do. He will never tell us to do an act of unrightousness. So as long as we listen and obey him..we wont do actioos contrary to the perfect law of life.because love does not break life ..it perpetuates life.

Christ died for all of our sins. Even if you turn away, that doesn't negate what He achieved at the cross.

 

[Lamb]

And... You (as i ) learn of our error and press on ... We do not remain there comitting the same error over and over. We do not continue to practice that shortfall,that missing of the mark.. (Sin)
No.we are renewed in our minds and we change our behaviour because of it.and are transformed more into his image. And are no longer conformed to this world.

None of this takes place without our own will to obey God in all these things.
The lord jesus has completly made all this possible..without the work he acomplished on the cross we could do none of it.
But he has acomplished freedom for us. Where formely we could not obey because we were slaves to sin... Now,we are set free from forced servitude to sin that we might ,in love ,submit ourselves to being slaves to rightouness unto everlasting life.

All because of what Jesus has done for us on the cross.

Not one soul on this board has told others to go out and sin away! If they have you need to prove it. You cannot prove it because it hasn't happened here.

Christ's death on the cross is where our forgiveness was won. If we reject Him we do not receive that forgiveness won. But it still happened at the cross.

 

[Alithis]

Not one soul on this board has told others to go out and sin away! If they have you need to prove it. You cannot prove it because it hasn't happened here.

Christ's death on the cross is where our forgiveness was won. If we reject Him we do not receive that forgiveness won. But it still happened at the cross.

He does far more then forgive...
He makes it possible to die with him. Into his death through being buried by faith In baptism for the remission of sin .
That we might then be raised up anew creation with a brand new nature.(his nature) only then can we go and live in him. by the power of his holy Spirit,who enlivens our mortal body. Only thencan we say "it is no longer i that lives but christ that lives in me. And if it be christ that lives ... What does that new life look like ?

Check out the movie www.thelastreformation.com. it explains it well.

 

[Alithis]

Not one soul on this board has told others to go out and sin away! If they have you need to prove it. You cannot prove it because it hasn't happened here.

Christ's death on the cross is where our forgiveness was won. If we reject Him we do not receive that forgiveness won. But it still happened at the cross.

Didnt say any one had
Though it is an often obvious implication .but my reply was to another person and was not as a disagreement to thier post .

 

[Lamb]

Didnt say any one had
Though it is an often obvious implication .but my reply was to another person and was not as a disagreement to thier post .

There is no implication from anyone on the site to tell others to go out and sin.

 

[Lamb]

He does far more then forgive...
He makes it possible to die with him. Into his death through being buried by faith In baptism for the remission of sin .
That we might then be raised up anew creation with a brand new nature.(his nature) only then can we go and live in him. by the power of his holy Spirit,who enlivens our mortal body. Only thencan we say "it is no longer i that lives but christ that lives in me. And if it be christ that lives ... What does that new life look like ?

Check out the movie www.thelastreformation.com. it explains it well.

He does far more than forgive because our God gives us the gift of faith, turns us to Him in repentance, guides us into the works He wants us to do and we produce fruit and when He comes again, we shall be resurrected, given new bodies and live eternally with Him. Those are all wonderful things only because He first died for us.

 

[Alithis]

There is no implication from anyone on the site to tell others to go out and sin.

But there is..
If you suggest its ok to do so because all your sin is forgiven in advance ..and then you do not clarify the statement. You leave an unintended implication that its ok to go and do unrightous acts .
So intended or given unwittingly..the implication exists .

 

[Alithis]

He does far more than forgive because our God gives us the gift of faith, turns us to Him in repentance, guides us into the works He wants us to do and we produce fruit and when He comes again, we shall be resurrected, given new bodies and live eternally with Him. Those are all wonderful things only because He first died for us.

And none ofthem willbe credited to us automaticly.for you say yourself.. "He guides us into the wkrks he has for us to do" but does he force you beyond your will to do them? Nope. We must obey his guidence.

Again .. You will never exclude obedience from the gospel.
And the disobedient do not inherit the kingdom of God.

 

[Josiah]

And the disobedient do not inherit the kingdom of God.

Thus your point that no one is (or ever will be) saved, since obviously, everyone is disobedient. You not only confuse, entangle, mess up Law and Gospel - but here delete the Gospel entirely.

"INHERIT" The very word means a FREE GIFT, something you did not earn, something neither merited or dismerited.... when you INHERIT something, it's GIVEN to you. Now, if your point is that God is an "Indian-giver" and will disinherit us unless we obey him, then you've made Christ a meaningless, worthless JOKE and a complete waste of His time and blood since no one always, fully obeys Him, no one is perfect. But again, you SO entirely entangle and confuse and mix-up Law and Gospel, sanctification and justification that you seem to delete Christ entirely (except maybe as a nice man or a good helper or just a possibility-maker - anything BUT Savior).



- Josiah

 

[Lamb]

And none ofthem willbe credited to us automaticly.for you say yourself.. "He guides us into the wkrks he has for us to do" but does he force you beyond your will to do them? Nope. We must obey his guidence.

Again .. You will never exclude obedience from the gospel.
And the disobedient do not inherit the kingdom of God.

Didn't you mention that He changes us into new creations? Don't those new creations want to be in communion with Him and do those good works?

 

[Lamb]

Thus your point that no one is (or ever will be) saved, since obviously, everyone is disobedient. You not only confuse, entangle, mess up Law and Gospel - but here delete the Gospel entirely.

"INHERIT" The very word means a FREE GIFT, something you did not earn, something neither merited or dismerited.... when you INHERIT something, it's GIVEN to you. Now, if your point is that God is an "Indian-giver" and will disinherit us unless we obey him, then you've made Christ a meaningless, worthless JOKE and a complete waste of His time and blood since no one always, fully obeys Him, no one is perfect. But again, you SO entirely entangle and confuse and mix-up Law and Gospel, sanctification and justification that you seem to delete Christ entirely (except maybe as a nice man or a good helper or just a possibility-maker - anything BUT Savior).



- Josiah

Yes! ^^^

The truly "disobedient" who won't receive the benefits from the cross are the ones who reject the Savior and the forgiveness won. Rejection is what damns us...that is the disobedience scripture speaks of.

 

[Cassia]

Without a death there is no inheritance but Jesus did die so we have recieved the inheritance. As much as you die to self is the amount that Christ recieves from you. Not really a fair trade on His part when He can't use any of it. Those who lose their souls are those who don't preserve them in Him. He is the new man which we are all part of, but He's looking for the bride as His counterpart.

 

[psalms 91]

The bride are those who remain true and obey Him thus showing that they love Him

 

[Alithis]

Thus your point that no one is (or ever will be) saved, since obviously, everyone is disobedient. You not only confuse, entangle, mess up Law and Gospel - but here delete the Gospel entirely.

"INHERIT" The very word means a FREE GIFT, something you did not earn, something neither merited or dismerited.... when you INHERIT something, it's GIVEN to you. Now, if your point is that God is an "Indian-giver" and will disinherit us unless we obey him, then you've made Christ a meaningless, worthless JOKE and a complete waste of His time and blood since no one always, fully obeys Him, no one is perfect. But again, you SO entirely entangle and confuse and mix-up Law and Gospel, sanctification and justification that you seem to delete Christ entirely (except maybe as a nice man or a good helper or just a possibility-maker - anything BUT Savior).



- Josiah

you remind of those who asked .. how then can any one be saved ? they asked ..
When the disciples heard this they were greatly astonished and asked, “Who then can be saved?” Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

your the one saying Jesus cannot do in us what he promised to do .. he said he sets us free from sin . you however say we can't be free . Whom shall i listen to ..you or the lord JESUS ?

i think we both know the answer to that .

he has given me the free gift of salvation and i now endure in it knowing that i shall recive what he has promised when he is revealed in glory . and knowing that until that day comes i must endure and abide in him until the end . he has made it fully possible to do so .
he gives us a new heart with his law written upon it .. his nature in us . makes us new creatures ..that CAN obey . though are not forced beyond our own will.

You will always follow and obey the one you love the most .(it is why Jeuss said "if you love me you will do what i command you ) and that is a very telling point against those who say they cannot stop doing some actions .

 

[Alithis]

Yes! ^^^

The truly "disobedient" who won't receive the benefits from the cross are the ones who reject the Savior and the forgiveness won. Rejection is what damns us...that is the disobedience scripture speaks of.

well there's a dilemma straight away /.. with out repentance they dont get forgiven . they must change their minds and stop DOING actions they know to be sin. an action requires exertion .. that's called "works " -when we exert ourselves to do an unrighteous act that is called a work of iniquity . Jesus states he will say to those who keep doing such works , depart from me "you workers of iniquity ) Gods not fooled by a sunday prayer "ouh lord i'm sorry i did this and this and this ... "and then you go and do it again .. he is not fooled, he knows in our heart when we intend to go and do it again and again. he knows when repentance is feigned . when it is lip service .
but he also says .. if you will hear my voice and not harden your hearts, and he also says ,my sheep hear my voice and i know them and they follow me .. and it is also written if we walk in the Spirit we WILL NOT fulfil the evil desires of the flesh .. the benefit of the cross is forgiveness .. but not only forgiveness .. it is FREEDOM from sins control , the POWER to OVERCOME .

and jesus said , repentance for the forgiveness of sin is to be preached .. if people will not turn from their sin, they will not be forgiven . repentance is NOT saying sorry and then doing it again .
that's just insulting gods grace