Wake up; what you say about the Catholic Church creates a bad reputation for CH.

[pinacled]

Well I wasn't aware the Christian haven forum was concerned with reputation contrary to apparel.

 

[Josiah]

I think any basis for your whining is non-existent.


As I note that you are #3 in the posters with "likes", I don't see evidence of the "how come everybody's alwaz pic'n on we pur Kathoks!" whine. The "persecution complex" some Catholics at times seem have on the 'net (even at CatholicAnswers!) - it amazes me, stuns me. My doctorate is not in psychology so I hesitate to theorize as to the basis for this, but it sure seems common and popular. More than one internet community has been destroyed (IMO) by trying to appease the persistent "persecution complex" that some Catholics seem to have.


I have posted my opinion of the RC Denomination many times at many websites - including here. I have stated MANY very, very positive things about it. To date, NO ONE - not even one Catholic, lay or ordained - NOT ONE has been willing to return EVEN ONE of the positive things I believe about Catholics and the RC Denomination to me and my denomination (the LCMS). Not one. For even ONE of the many positive things I've written. Not ONE Catholic has returned any of the positive things. Including you. Frankly, I'm tired of the "how come you're always pic'n on we pur katholikes" thing when I make a point they evidently don't want to (or can't) reply to. Frustrating. But SO common. And since I've been on staff at a couple of websites, I KNOW they at times then will hit the "Report" button to try to get staff to silence the poster since they can't, screaming "he hurt my feelings, he's pic'n on pur me again!" Frustrating. And since I just lack knowledge of how the persecution complex works, it puzzles me.


I like you (you are even on my friends list - it's just not mutual). I LIKE Catholics. I'd LOVE for a LOT more to come to this site and be active!! I've invited a few myself. I think they have MUCH to contribute.... and I think they OFTEN are correct. But to come and TALK, not hide behind some complex.



I can't think of a single thread at CH about how Catholics are always pic'n on pur Protestants (much less specifically on Lutherans). And I don't recall starting threads whining about such and how Lutherans won't come here if Catholics keep pic'n on us'ins. You started this thread. It's CATHOLICS typically whining about being picked on by non-RCC'ers.





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That'd be because it does not happen. Catholics do not, generally speaking, pick on Lutherans..

More Coffee,


Then your attempts to say it's Lutherans, Protestants, me who are the whiners is, as you now admit, wrong. No, this comes from some Catholics, generally.


You are very active at another site. Including in the "Traditional Theology" forum. Often whining and going on and on about ANTI-CATHOLICS. I don't post in TT anymore. I'll tell you why. An Admin publicly posted that I'm mentally insane, even posted the precise diagnosis of insanity. Publicly. By name. Personally. In post after post in TT. IMO, an obvious personal flame (coming from one who has INSISTED that even something VIEWED as offensive is cause for an IMMEDIATE 3 day ban, even if no rule was broken - no discussion, no warnings - just an immediate 3 day ban). LOTS of people jumped in - LOTS of active folks in TT. The "regulars" there. I don't recall if you personally were one of them. In public. DEFENDING this admin calling me insane. Obviously, no one reporting it - all this was just fine - because it all just grew. Then I finally reported it. Within minutes, ALL the posts remotely related to this were gone. But no ban..... none in TT PM'ed me to say they were offended by all this or that those that participated should get that 3 day ban (none did). Most of the regulars there in TT jumped on the band wagon, attacking one person - me (who by that time RARELY posted there). DEFENDING others doing so. In the forum that "prides" itself on how "nice" they are. Now, I didn't respond by going on to TT and post over and over and over and over whining about how the folks at TT flame and attack, how hypocritical they were in this - I just left. THAT'S the site you are most active at. Coming over here to say folks here should be nice. I've NEVER experience any Catholic here being treated anywhere close to how I was treated (repeatedly) at that other site. Compared to such sites generally, this is one of the best. And it does it with remarkably LITTLE staff intervention or action. You've already admitted Protestants don't whine about being mistreated here (because they have no reason to)..... well..... ..... please consider.

I like you. I like Catholics. I appreciate you and Catholics and I think you have MUCH to say that is wise and helpful. Just do so. With love and respect. SOME will learn and grow. SOME will come to agree. SOME will disagree. SOME will dismiss it out-of-hand. It's how it goes. TRY to make a distinction between "I disagree" and "I hate you." Because HERE, people tend to disagree with points - not hate and flame. Consider what I posted above, in the quote of this post. IMO, if we saw less "don't pick on me" posts and more articulate, informed posts about what YOU believe and why, I think we all would benefit more. Maybe more Catholics would then join you (something I'd rejoice in).

I apologize .... I've been too strong with you at times. I am sorry. But know, it has nothing to do with YOU. I embrace you as my FULL, EQUAL, UNseparated brother in Christ.... who is a member of a denomination I have stated - repeatedly - I hold in great esteem and often (usually) agree with. I've not meant to attack YOU..... only express my views on TOPICS, yes knowing you will at times disagree with me equally to how I disagree with you, on the exact same topics. A little humility goes a long way.


Pax Christi



- Josiah




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[Rens]

An Admin publicly posted that I'm mentally insane, even posted the precise diagnosis of insanity. Publicly. By name. Personally. In post after post in TT.

That's horrible. Someone just convinced me that the rumors about cf were lies, but only exchristians do that or they are simply so unchristian that I mistake them for a trolling atheist. I witnessed on an atheist forum. They also said I was insane. Lol the psychiater said I was nuts, but too dumb to realize it. It's so funny that I can't even get offended. Broke the words though in Jesus' Name.
Sorry that happened to you.

 

[Alithis]

The Roman Catholic Church does teach about Jesus and the forgiveness of sins won at the cross. I know some people don't want to believe that, but it's true.

i dont recall any one saying they didn't ..but the mormons do to and so do the jehovah witnesses - it is the addons that oppose the very essence of the gospel of repentance and obedience in baptism

 

[visionary]

RCC doctrines are a bad reputation on the standard of what a true believer is.

 

[MoreCoffee]

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You are very active at another site. Including in the "Traditional Theology" forum.
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That is not true. I have not been on that site for quite some time.

 

[tango]

It still seems to me that it makes far more sense to address (in the context of the thread, about the RCC in particular) a post along the lines of "The RCC teaches X, this aligns with/contradicts Scripture (with references and quotes), therefore on this topic the RCC is right/wrong", where a thread can discuss a particular teaching and consider whether or not it has Scriptural merit.

It's certainly more useful than generic comments about "Catholics" (or "Anglicans", "charismatics" or whatever other group). There are so many denominations it's almost unimaginable that any one of them has everything just right.

 

[MoreCoffee]

It still seems to me that it makes far more sense to address (in the context of the thread, about the RCC in particular) a post along the lines of "The RCC teaches X, this aligns with/contradicts Scripture (with references and quotes), therefore on this topic the RCC is right/wrong", where a thread can discuss a particular teaching and consider whether or not it has Scriptural merit.

It's certainly more useful than generic comments about "Catholics" (or "Anglicans", "charismatics" or whatever other group). There are so many denominations it's almost unimaginable that any one of them has everything just right.

I am not confident that your suggestion will be taken up but it is a useful one.

 

[tango]

I am not confident that your suggestion will be taken up but it is a useful one.

This is the interwebz, it's easier to put someone in a pigeonhole and write off their views based on the group as a whole than it is to look at individual stances and consider them in the light of Scripture. Or, put another way, strawmen are easier to fight than real men.

 

[Josiah]

That's horrible. Someone just convinced me that the rumors about cf were lies, but only exchristians do that or they are simply so unchristian that I mistake them for a trolling atheist. I witnessed on an atheist forum. They also said I was insane. Lol the psychiater said I was nuts, but too dumb to realize it. It's so funny that I can't even get offended. Broke the words though in Jesus' Name.
Sorry that happened to you.

Thank you. You are the first ever to so indicate.

This was just ONE - one of many - similar things done to me at that site (some are worse). I just found it - interesting - that one with MANY posts there and VERY active there (yesterday, someone changed his profile so that his record there is now hidden) would whine about THIS site and how people are treated HERE.

Again.... as the only one who who expressed to me care about this.... thank you! Of course, I wrote it as an example - not to seek care. I'm over it, lol, but it IS one - just one - of the reasons I'm no longer active there. And one - just one - of the reasons I like this site.