Wake up; what you say about the Catholic Church creates a bad reputation for CH.

[psalms 91]

The NWO that is most talked about leads to one government one religion and Revelation tells us exactly how good that will be and exactly what God thinks of it

 

[Alithis]

If there's no unity among believers a lot of people will leave anyway. Saw it on a lot of forums. People get tired of it and go to their own group in church or on Facebook where everyone agrees and just build each other up.

no where are we called to be in unity with lies .when teachings and practices which directly oppose the word of god are promoted as if they are the word of god ..that is a form of blasphemy and we are in no way to be unified to it but to reject it as the evil it is .. to shun evil .

i try never to use the term YOU ..when discussing with morecoffee but separate the topic to rome or the rcc .. and not AT more coffee , but where i do challenge more offee directly is when i say things like /.. "you KNOW in your heart that that is a false teachings so you must repent and come out of the institution that refuses to repent of committing it .because if you don't come out and renounce it .. you support and propagate it and will be judged as one guilty of doing so . and i will hold the same stance with any and ALL denominations .

from mary worshiping people who lie and say they dont .. through to pentecostal music worshipping new agism 'soakers' who dont realized they are soaking in the deceptive presence of false demonic spirits

i dont make any particular distinction between one form of lie and falsehood and another . JEsus is truth .. a lie is a lie . cant serve two masters .

 

[Alithis]

One of the most conniving traits of a sociopath, is their seemingly good traits.

well yeah . the serpent was an apparently nice enough chap to chat with in the garden and he was very polite as he LIED

 

[MoreCoffee]

It is rather gratifying to see so many of you confirming every bias and prejudice that a typical anti-Catholic Chick Comic contains.

:smirk:

 

[tango]

no where are we called to be in unity with lies .when teachings and practices which directly oppose the word of god are promoted as if they are the word of god ..that is a form of blasphemy and we are in no way to be unified to it but to reject it as the evil it is .. to shun evil .

i try never to use the term YOU ..when discussing with morecoffee but separate the topic to rome or the rcc .. and not AT more coffee , but where i do challenge more offee directly is when i say things like /.. "you KNOW in your heart that that is a false teachings so you must repent and come out of the institution that refuses to repent of committing it .because if you don't come out and renounce it .. you support and propagate it and will be judged as one guilty of doing so . and i will hold the same stance with any and ALL denominations .

from mary worshiping people who lie and say they dont .. through to pentecostal music worshipping new agism 'soakers' who dont realized they are soaking in the deceptive presence of false demonic spirits

i dont make any particular distinction between one form of lie and falsehood and another . JEsus is truth .. a lie is a lie . cant serve two masters .

This is all well and good but telling someone they know in their heart that they are wrong is unlikely to be productive. If MoreCoffee truly knew in his heart that he was wrong I'd like to think he'd get busy with repenting and saying the things that were right. I could be wrong, I've never met the man, but I'd rather not assume that he promotes his theology knowing full well it's wrong.

With all our different denominations there's a pretty good chance that we're all wrong on some aspects of our theology. We can hope that we are all genuinely seeking the truth and genuinely looking to adapt our own theology to reflect the truth rather than presenting the truth such that our pre-existing theology fits it better.

It's also not necessarily helpful to assume that someone believes and practices certain things just because of the church they go to. For a time I attended a church that can only be described as hypercharismatic - they promoted the likes of IHOP, Bill Johnson, Dutch Sheets and all the nutjobs over at the Elijah List. Although I attended the church for a time I didn't practice any of the things you (reasonably) associate with that fringe of the church - on the contrary I spent a fair chunk of time explaining to people why I believed the teachings to be dangerous. I had more than one long talk with the minister and told him in no uncertain terms that I thought Bill Johnson is a wolf and that I think God is withholding blessing from the church because of the teachers they follow. I explained, with Scriptural backing, why I believed the teachers they follow were building the kingdom of the beast. But with overly simplistic reasoning you'd look at me and say "look at the church he attends, doesn't he know he's soaking in the deception of evil spirits?". At the time there was no question of whether I "really knew in my heart", everything about me believed that the teachings were false and I was hoping to help root it out.

Just as it's a fallacy to assume everyone who votes Republican agrees with every word Donald Trump says, or to assume everyone who votes Democrat agrees with every word Hillary Clinton says, so too it's a fallacy to assume that anyone who attends a particular denomination of church agrees with everything that denomination teaches.

 

[Nes]

No more than making this board appear to be catholic which at least one poster had the mistaken idea of. As I said if it is posted then I will continue to disagree with what is not right and agree with those who know the same things I do. If you want it to stop then quit posting so much stuff that you know will be controversial.

Lol he can post what he wants.

 

[Nes]

Lots of things are presented as a new world order. I still find the thought of a "cleaned up world" as described by dominionists as being no less terrifying than any other variety of NWO.

He's talking about the setup of the control of Satan over the earth.

 

[Alithis]

It is rather gratifying to see so many of you confirming every bias and prejudice that a typical anti-Catholic Chick Comic contains.

:smirk:

actually i dont see any one posting content from there.

 

[Alithis]

Lol he can post what he wants.

well..no .he (or is that you?)cant actually.

 

[Alithis]

This is just tiresome and would for me be a reason to leave immediately. I've been in these anti Word of Faith environments. So tiresome. If you want to keep pointing fingers at churches and people, good luck. Got better things to do.
You don't even read what MoreCoffee posts. Most of these posts are great but ooh catholic, evil. Make this a protestant board then and forbid catholics to posts.

That may be because you are not yey aware of the diabolical insidious nature of what is going on. I dont seek to be popular nor liked .so am not shy to speak the truth.
Literally millions upon millions will perish in hell fire because they havebeen told a lie.they seriously think that if they jpin the rcc..sprinkle water on babies heads an confess thier unrepentant sin to men while praying to mary and bowing to statues (and yes iv seen them do it ) they will be saved. This is what rome tells them. You may think it is just bothersome but i care more for thier salvation to brush it off as an annoyance on a chat site. They will perish if they do not obey thegoodnews of the lord jesus..and i will never be a part of sending them to thier eternal doom by indifference.

 

[Lamb]

The Roman Catholic Church does teach about Jesus and the forgiveness of sins won at the cross. I know some people don't want to believe that, but it's true.

 

[psalms 91]

Yes they do it is not that but their error in other ways that is being contested, that and the endless RCC lititure being posted, thread after thread after thread

 

[MoreCoffee]

The Roman Catholic Church does teach about Jesus and the forgiveness of sins won at the cross. I know some people don't want to believe that, but it's true.

From the Catechism of the Council of Trent - written about 500 years ago.

ARTICLE X : "THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS"

Importance Of This Article

552 The enumeration of this among the other Articles of the Creed is alone sufficient to satisfy us that it conveys a truth, which is not only in itself a divine mystery, but also a mystery very necessary to salvation. We have already said that, without a firm belief of all the Articles of the Creed, Christian piety is wholly unattainable. However, should that which ought to be clear in itself seem to require the support of some authority, the declaration of our Lord will suffice. A short time previous to His Ascension into heaven, when opening the understanding of His disciples that they might understand the Scriptures, He bore testimony to this Article of the Creed, in these words: It behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise again from the dead the third day, and that penance and remission of sins should be preached, in his name, unto all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
553 Let the pastor but weigh well these words, and he will readily perceive that the Lord has placed him under a most sacred obligation, not only of making known to the faithful whatever regards religion in general, but also of explaining with particular care this Article of the Creed.​

 

[Josiah]

Here at Christianity Haven we consider Roman Catholics to be Christians. Instead of bashing an entire denomination, talk about the things you have issues with instead and if people want to respond they will. Not in this thread though.

Our only active Catholic has the THIRD MOST "likes" of any poster at CH - several times more "likes" than I have!


I hardly see evidence of the "how come everybody's alwaz pic'n on pur Kathoks!" The "persecution complex" some Catholics at times seem have on the 'net (even at CatholicAnswers!) - it amazes me, stuns me. My doctorate is not in psychology so I hesitate to theorize as to the basis for this, but it sure seems common and popular. More than one internet community has been destroyed (IMO) by trying to appease the persistent "persecution complex" that some Catholics seem to have.


I have posted my opinion of the RC Denomination many times at many websites - including here. I have stated MANY very, very positive things about it. To date, NO ONE - not even one Catholic, lay or ordained - NOT ONE has been willing to return EVEN ONE of the positive things I believe about Catholics and the RC Denomination to me and my denomination (the LCMS). Not one. For even ONE of the many positive things I've written. Including More Coffee. Yet, I'M often said to be the "ANTI" one! Frankly, I'm tired of the "how come you're always pic'n on we pur katholikes" thing when I make a point they evidently don't want to (or can't) reply to. Frustrating. But SO common. And since I've been on staff at a couple of websites, I KNOW they at times then will hit the "Report" button to try to get staff to silence the poster since they can't, screaming "he hurt my feelings, he's pic'n on pur me again!" Frustrating. And since I just lack knowledge of how the persecution complex works, it puzzles me.



Lamm, I agree..... we need to discuss TOPICS, POSITIONS, POSTS..... and put away the persecution complexes, the "trump card" that all is silenced if I claim my feelings have been hurt or I feel I'm being picked on. We're adults here. Even non-Christians know that when Christians gathering, there WILL be disagreements on points of view and practices. Happens. Posters who come to sites like this should be adult enough to realize and accept that. "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen." ALL denominations and faith views have protected websites where one will NOT be challenged, where tough questions are disallowed, where only "yes men" are allowed, where no heat is allowed.... some need to stay there. I know..... I'm NOTORIOUS for my position on this point (here at CH I can state it void of the uber - PC'ism I use elsewhere to express this.... oh, how I love this site!).


Oh, one more thing (while I'm showing my lack of PC'ism): If you dish it out, don't complain when others follow suit in reply. If one posts that someone's denomination is not legit, don't get all hurt when they post back that they don't think your denomination is legit either. Some seem able to dish out what they don't take. Happens a lot. If you insist that some snippet from ones denomination does not equal truth, then don't get all in a huff when sometimes says that your snippet from your denomination does not equal truth. Goose/Gander. LEVEL playing field.


I like More Coffee (he's even on my friends list - it's just not mutual). I LIKE Catholics. I'd LOVE for a LOT more to come to this site and be active!! I've invited a few myself. I think they have MUCH to contribute.... and I think they OFTEN are correct. But to come and TALK, not hide behind some complex.




Sorry. uch: :sigh:



Just my half cent......



- Josiah

 

[MoreCoffee]

Our only active Catholic has the THIRD MOST "likes" of any poster at CH - several times more "likes" than I have!
...

Don't be jealous [MENTION=13]Josiah[/MENTION].

The relatively few folk who send likes to my posts are generous enough to like many of them. I like their posts too.

 

[Josiah]

Don't be jealous

I think any basis for your whining is non-existent.


As I note that you are #3 in the posters with "likes", I don't see evidence of the "how come everybody's alwaz pic'n on we pur Kathoks!" whine. The "persecution complex" some Catholics at times seem have on the 'net (even at CatholicAnswers!) - it amazes me, stuns me. My doctorate is not in psychology so I hesitate to theorize as to the basis for this, but it sure seems common and popular. More than one internet community has been destroyed (IMO) by trying to appease the persistent "persecution complex" that some Catholics seem to have.


I have posted my opinion of the RC Denomination many times at many websites - including here. I have stated MANY very, very positive things about it. To date, NO ONE - not even one Catholic, lay or ordained - NOT ONE has been willing to return EVEN ONE of the positive things I believe about Catholics and the RC Denomination to me and my denomination (the LCMS). Not one. For even ONE of the many positive things I've written. Not ONE Catholic has returned any of the positive things. Including you. Frankly, I'm tired of the "how come you're always pic'n on we pur katholikes" thing when I make a point they evidently don't want to (or can't) reply to. Frustrating. But SO common. And since I've been on staff at a couple of websites, I KNOW they at times then will hit the "Report" button to try to get staff to silence the poster since they can't, screaming "he hurt my feelings, he's pic'n on pur me again!" Frustrating. And since I just lack knowledge of how the persecution complex works, it puzzles me.


I like you (he's even on my friends list - it's just not mutual). I LIKE Catholics. I'd LOVE for a LOT more to come to this site and be active!! I've invited a few myself. I think they have MUCH to contribute.... and I think they OFTEN are correct. But to come and TALK, not hide behind some complex.



- Josiah

 

[MoreCoffee]

I think any basis for your whining is non-existent.
...

You would, being among the chief offenders as you are, [MENTION=13]Josiah[/MENTION].

 

[Josiah]

I think any basis for your whining is non-existent.


As I note that you are #3 in the posters with "likes", I don't see evidence of the "how come everybody's alwaz pic'n on we pur Kathoks!" whine. The "persecution complex" some Catholics at times seem have on the 'net (even at CatholicAnswers!) - it amazes me, stuns me. My doctorate is not in psychology so I hesitate to theorize as to the basis for this, but it sure seems common and popular. More than one internet community has been destroyed (IMO) by trying to appease the persistent "persecution complex" that some Catholics seem to have.


I have posted my opinion of the RC Denomination many times at many websites - including here. I have stated MANY very, very positive things about it. To date, NO ONE - not even one Catholic, lay or ordained - NOT ONE has been willing to return EVEN ONE of the positive things I believe about Catholics and the RC Denomination to me and my denomination (the LCMS). Not one. For even ONE of the many positive things I've written. Not ONE Catholic has returned any of the positive things. Including you. Frankly, I'm tired of the "how come you're always pic'n on we pur katholikes" thing when I make a point they evidently don't want to (or can't) reply to. Frustrating. But SO common. And since I've been on staff at a couple of websites, I KNOW they at times then will hit the "Report" button to try to get staff to silence the poster since they can't, screaming "he hurt my feelings, he's pic'n on pur me again!" Frustrating. And since I just lack knowledge of how the persecution complex works, it puzzles me.


I like you (he's even on my friends list - it's just not mutual). I LIKE Catholics. I'd LOVE for a LOT more to come to this site and be active!! I've invited a few myself. I think they have MUCH to contribute.... and I think they OFTEN are correct. But to come and TALK, not hide behind some complex.

You would, being among the chief offenders as you are,Josiah.

I can't think of a single thread at CH about how Catholics are always pic'n on pur Protestants (much less specifically on Lutherans). And I don't recall starting threads whining about such and how Lutherans won't come here if Catholics keep pic'n on us'ins.



.

 

[psalms 91]

I think any basis for your whining is non-existent.


As I note that you are #3 in the posters with "likes", I don't see evidence of the "how come everybody's alwaz pic'n on we pur Kathoks!" whine. The "persecution complex" some Catholics at times seem have on the 'net (even at CatholicAnswers!) - it amazes me, stuns me. My doctorate is not in psychology so I hesitate to theorize as to the basis for this, but it sure seems common and popular. More than one internet community has been destroyed (IMO) by trying to appease the persistent "persecution complex" that some Catholics seem to have.


I have posted my opinion of the RC Denomination many times at many websites - including here. I have stated MANY very, very positive things about it. To date, NO ONE - not even one Catholic, lay or ordained - NOT ONE has been willing to return EVEN ONE of the positive things I believe about Catholics and the RC Denomination to me and my denomination (the LCMS). Not one. For even ONE of the many positive things I've written. Not ONE Catholic has returned any of the positive things. Including you. Frankly, I'm tired of the "how come you're always pic'n on we pur katholikes" thing when I make a point they evidently don't want to (or can't) reply to. Frustrating. But SO common. And since I've been on staff at a couple of websites, I KNOW they at times then will hit the "Report" button to try to get staff to silence the poster since they can't, screaming "he hurt my feelings, he's pic'n on pur me again!" Frustrating. And since I just lack knowledge of how the persecution complex works, it puzzles me.


I like you (he's even on my friends list - it's just not mutual). I LIKE Catholics. I'd LOVE for a LOT more to come to this site and be active!! I've invited a few myself. I think they have MUCH to contribute.... and I think they OFTEN are correct. But to come and TALK, not hide behind some complex.



- Josiah

I agree

 

[MoreCoffee]

I can't think of a single thread at CH about how Catholics are always pic'n on pur Protestants (much less specifically on Lutherans). And I don't recall starting threads whining about such and how Lutherans won't come here if Catholics keep pic'n on us'ins.

.

That'd be because it does not happen. Catholics do not, generally speaking, pick on Lutherans. [MENTION=13]Josiah[/MENTION].