Wake up; what you say about the Catholic Church creates a bad reputation for CH.

[visionary]

Some people who woke up:https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1222613341105417&id=100000702887719

Amen...

 

[MoreCoffee]

If there's no unity among believers a lot of people will leave anyway. Saw it on a lot of forums. People get tired of it and go to their own group in church or on Facebook where everyone agrees and just build each other up.

Some debate is healthy and causes growth but constant gainsaying saps the strength out of one's life. It is better to avoid contentious environments.

 

[Alithis]

The passages speak of what motivates one's speaking. The same things will motivate one's writing.

Matthew 15:11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
Matthew 15:18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.​

I am attempting to discourage ignorant anti-Catholic commentary. The threads that have recently been started by non-Catholics offering opinions about Catholic practises and beliefs are inaccurate.

Except pointing out tge obvious lies of rome will in no way defile me.for i cannot be defiled by the truth of the word of God coming out of my mouth.
But rome teaching and not renouncing practices of sin so blatantly opposed to Gods word defiles many and both it and alk those who persist in the promotion and perpetuation of those lies will be held accountable for every word they speak.

Anti rcc or anti ANY Teaching that is a lie is a product of a love for truth.
Point out to me a lie of Any denomination you wish and i will not defend it but shall agree it is a lie. Present me a teaching of practice opposed to the scripture and try to defend it and i shall say it is a lie ,for it opposes the scriptures.

If your denomination is innocent of wrongs then it needs no such defence for God is well able to defend his own name firhe alone IS truth.

The rcc encourages prayers to other then God yhrough christ.. sin
Teaches purgatory..falsehood.
Worships idols ..renames it withdeceptive titles..so adds lies to deception and decptions to lies..
If you do well then you would not be so troubled when your sins are brought to light.

 

[Rens]

Except pointing out tge obvious lies of rome will in no way defile me.for i cannot be defiled by the truth of the word of God coming out of my mouth.
But rome teaching and not renouncing practices of sin so blatantly opposed to Gods word defiles many and both it and alk those who persist in the promotion and perpetuation of those lies will be held accountable for every word they speak.

Anti rcc or anti ANY Teaching that is a lie is a product of a love for truth.
Point out to me a lie of Any denomination you wish and i will not defend it but shall agree it is a lie. Present me a teaching of practice opposed to the scripture and try to defend it and i shall say it is a lie ,for it opposes the scriptures.

If your denomination is innocent of wrongs then it needs no such defence for God is well able to defend his own name firhe alone IS truth.

The rcc encourages prayers to other then God yhrough christ.. sin
Teaches purgatory..falsehood.
Worships idols ..renames it withdeceptive titles..so adds lies to deception and decptions to lies..
If you do well then you would not be so troubled when your sins are brought to light.

This is just tiresome and would for me be a reason to leave immediately. I've been in these anti Word of Faith environments. So tiresome. If you want to keep pointing fingers at churches and people, good luck. Got better things to do.
You don't even read what MoreCoffee posts. Most of these posts are great but ooh catholic, evil. Make this a protestant board then and forbid catholics to posts.

 

[Rens]

I was on Dutch forums first, people would get a warning if they played on the man instead of the ball. Bashing the RCC and catholics could give you a warning too just like bashing Luther, Calvin and the reformed church, since it was a reformed forum with one catholic guy on it. One guy he went on and on and on and on about the RCC and Luther and Calvin. Come on, those reformed are so fond of Luther and Calvin, what's the use of going on and on and on and on how evil they all were? Eventually he got banned. He was autistic, so the catholic guy forgave him for all the nasty things he said to him. Bashing prosperity preachers and American WOF preachers was okay though. First time they said Reinhard Bonnke and Matteus van der Steen were evil, I got so mad. Then I thought: well they don't know better. They believe the gifts have ceased. Lol I had an avatar with a Jesus pic and I posted those christian jokes they even tell in church. A Dutch reformed woman got so upset. It was mockery and a sin to have a picture of Jesus. Okay sweetheart, I'll remove it for you. What does it matter if people don't exactly believe the same? We need unity. The pope wants unity, evil, evil, must be the false end time church. As if all that protestant backbiting and heresy hunting is holy. The devil just wants christians to fight about these things, so there is no unity and the world doesn't get saved.

 

[visionary]

I was on Dutch forums first, people would get a warning if they played on the man instead of the ball. Bashing the RCC and catholics could give you a warning too just like bashing Luther, Calvin and the reformed church, since it was a reformed forum with one catholic guy on it. One guy he went on and on and on and on about the RCC and Luther and Calvin. Come on, those reformed are so fond of Luther and Calvin, what's the use of going on and on and on and on how evil they all were? Eventually he got banned. He was autistic, so the catholic guy forgave him for all the nasty things he said to him. Bashing prosperity preachers and American WOF preachers was okay though. First time they said Reinhard Bonnke and Matteus van der Steen were evil, I got so mad. Then I thought: well they don't know better. They believe the gifts have ceased. Lol I had an avatar with a Jesus pic and I posted those christian jokes they even tell in church. A Dutch reformed woman got so upset. It was mockery and a sin to have a picture of Jesus. Okay sweetheart, I'll remove it for you. What does it matter if people don't exactly believe the same? We need unity. The pope wants unity, evil, evil, must be the false end time church. As if all that protestant backbiting and heresy hunting is holy. The devil just wants christians to fight about these things, so there is no unity and the world doesn't get saved.

Yeah, it is true what you say. Hard walk, to be united with some on certain things and not on others. I have no answer because I am part of the problem. I feel like I am like Yeshua talking about the wrongs of the Pharisees. I haven't gone as far as name calling but the sins/errors/lies I have pointed out.

Here is the problem. Some people believe Institutitional crap is sacred. Others, like me, see both the good and the bad of institutional stuff, and see some who are consumed by it to the point that they are blind to the words of scripture and what they really say. If it is the error/lies institutional spews, they spew, then it has to be addressed. One where it comes from, and when, why and what is wrong with it. So the institution is named, along with the leaders who forged it, and the purpose for it. Usually to gain money and power. I was once in church and asked, "if you had to choose between church and scripture which would you choose?" and they said "church" ... Now what help is scripture to them, if they can only see it through "church" lenses?

 

[Lamb]

Here at Christianity Haven we consider Roman Catholics to be Christians. Instead of bashing an entire denomination, talk about the things you have issues with instead and if people want to respond they will. Not in this thread though.

 

[psalms 91]

I agree with Visionary, when someione blindly follows a church, denomination, it leads to error any denomination, all you ahbve to do is look at their lititure it will always have a slant towards their beliefs which is why you have to be careful and know who wrote the lititure so you know where they are coming from

 

[visionary]

Here at Christianity Haven we consider Roman Catholics to be Christians. Instead of bashing an entire denomination, talk about the things you have issues with instead and if people want to respond they will. Not in this thread though.

Understood... One issue per thread.

 

[pinacled]

Well Morecoffee. Do you have cause?

 

[TurtleHare]

The Roman Catholic Church has done good things for people in recent times so even though there are things i disagree with I am not totally against them and if you look at some of the good then maybe the bad isn't so bad. It's just that I know y'all have beliefs that don't line up with scripture at some point but you keep on pointing fingers as if you don't because you're blind to see them just as you're saying the RC is blind too and that's something to think about.

 

[visionary]

The Roman Catholic Church has done good things for people in recent times so even though there are things i disagree with I am not totally against them and if you look at some of the good then maybe the bad isn't so bad. It's just that I know y'all have beliefs that don't line up with scripture at some point but you keep on pointing fingers as if you don't because you're blind to see them just as you're saying the RC is blind too and that's something to think about.

One of the most conniving traits of a sociopath, is their seemingly good traits.

 

[Lamb]

Let's be nice now. Catholics aren't sociopaths.

 

[psalms 91]

No they are not but they do want a NWO

 

[MoreCoffee]

No they are not but they do want a NWO

Yes Catholics wait for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

 

[visionary]

Let's be nice now. Catholics aren't sociopaths.

Didn't say catholic were... said the behavior of the institution was.

 

[tango]

When someone posts nothing but Catholic website postings and then doesnt expect their to be dis agreement then I think you have someone who will be disappointed a lot. If it is posted then it will continue to be disagreed with

I think this is the kind of thing where what is required is accuracy. Whether the teachings are from a particular denomination or church, or the topic of discussion is politics or science or anything else, it's one thing to disagree and argue coherently and another thing entirely to present misinformation as if it were true.

If someone posts Catholic teachings (and those teachings are known to be actual Catholic teachings) we can debate whether or not we believe they align with Scripture, contradict Scripture, add to Scripture, subtract from Scripture, twist Scripture, accurately interpret Scripture, or whatever else using citations. While we're doing that others with a different view can assess our comments and agree or disagree, also explaining why.

The problems come if people claim the Catholic church teaches something that it actually doesn't teach or revert to useless posts. I wouldn't see a problem with debating and disagreeing with any denomination's teachings but if someone starts posting comments like "why would you follow a church headed by the antichrist?", personal attacks against the Pope, or unfounded comments that either have no basis in fact or assume everybody in the group is like the worst members of the group, they are merely detracting from the discussion.

As with anything else I'd say disagreement is fine as long as you explain why you disagree, allow the other guy to explain why he agrees, and realise that on any given issue the other guy might be right.

I don't think it will shock anyone when I say I disagree with some Catholic teaching and also disagree with many other teachings. Personally I'd rather explore the areas of disagreement to figure out whether I'm right or wrong, whether my understanding of what any given church teaches is actually what they do teach, and why people who do agree with the teachings agree with them. Even if I don't change my opinion it's good to understand why others believe the way they do.

 

[tango]

No they are not but they do want a NWO

How is that different from other groups? Most of us want a better world.

The idea of a whole New World Order would cause me more concern where people like the seven mountains dominionists are concerned and as far as I can see they tend to be more associated with the hypercharismatic movement than with the RCC.

 

[psalms 91]

I guess you really dont know what the NWO stands for. It is not something to be desired and as for a better world I dont think it will be better if we are any more controlled than we are now

 

[tango]

I guess you really dont know what the NWO stands for. It is not something to be desired and as for a better world I dont think it will be better if we are any more controlled than we are now

Lots of things are presented as a new world order. I still find the thought of a "cleaned up world" as described by dominionists as being no less terrifying than any other variety of NWO.