Is it immoral for a Christian to eat pork?

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Is 66:17 Who Eat Swine's Flesh, detestable things and mice, Will come to an end altogether," declares God

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Acts 16 says the dietary laws are not for gentiles. If Jews want to keep them good luck with it. Just don't push it on others when the N.T. says it doesn't matter. Just bless your food and don't eat a whole pig every day. That ain't healthy. One believes he may eat anything, the other doesn't, who cares? Paul says in my self made translation.
 
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Acts 16 says the dietary laws are not for gentiles. If Jews want to keep them good luck with it. Just don't push it on others when the N.T. says it doesn't matter. Just bless your food and don't eat a whole pig every day. That ain't healthy. One believes he may eat anything, the other doesn't, who cares? Paul says in my self made translation.

I agree althoughsome things may not be healthy
 

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Is 66:17 Who Eat Swine's Flesh, detestable things and mice, Will come to an end altogether," declares God

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Not everyone would just blindly follow a doctor's suggestions. If a doctor told me to stop eating anything I enjoyed eating I'd want to know why and honestly wouldn't accept "because it's bad for you" as an answer.
 

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Not everyone would just blindly follow a doctor's suggestions. If a doctor told me to stop eating anything I enjoyed eating I'd want to know why and honestly wouldn't accept "because it's bad for you" as an answer.
Then you would risk dying from it just as following God is wisdom, not unlawful but wise to do so
 

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Is 66:17 Who Eat Swine's Flesh, detestable things and mice, Will come to an end altogether," declares God

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My Doctor is not so ignorant as to single out pork, prawns (you can call them shrimp if you like), and lobster as especially dangerous foods that one ought to avoid for health's sake. If a chap claiming to be a doctor makes such claims then he's quite likely a quack.
 

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I think a few considerations have been overlooked.

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1. One important reason for the strictures of the Law, was to keep Israel separate from the pagan nations which surrounded it. The restrictions made the idea of becoming a proselyte uninviting, and a pagan gentile wanting to enter into a covenant relationship with the true God, had to be extremely serious about their intentions in order to be willing to conform.

Look what happened when a remnant of Judah returned from Babylonian exile and began to intermarry with the local pagans. God had to intervene and order the painful splitting up of families in order to preserve the identity (physical and religious) of the fledgeling restored nation.

A similar thing happened when the early church was flooded by people of pagan background. The God-given wisdom entrusted to the Jews (Romans 3:1,2) was expunged. Christendom is still suffering from that loss. (The vacuum of God-given wisdom was naturally filled with its antithesis.)

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2. I don't think anyone has asked Stravinsk to define for us the books within the normal Bible that he considers authoritative, and what extra-Biblical books (if any) he would include in his authoritative list.

I would find that information instructive for understanding.

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3. Pork was deemed by God to be acceptable for human consumption from the Flood until the giving of the Law specifically to Israel. Not all cultures ended up practicing pig husbandry, but.

Genesis 9:3,4:
3 Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. I have given you all things, even as the green herb.
4 But you shall not eat of flesh with the life in it, [or] the blood of it.

And it was only upon Israel that the dietary restrictions were later imposed.

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I'm sure other considerations could be added. But maybe these will give food for thought.
 

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Then you would risk dying from it just as following God is wisdom, not unlawful but wise to do so

Perhaps, but if a doctor has a reason to suggest something he should be able to back it with more than "because I said so". To just blindly do something because the doctor suggested it without backing the suggestion with anything is to totally abdicate your health to another.
 

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Perhaps, but if a doctor has a reason to suggest something he should be able to back it with more than "because I said so". To just blindly do something because the doctor suggested it without backing the suggestion with anything is to totally abdicate your health to another.
I would agree but how many actually question their doctor about their treatment?
 

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I am thinking that I can make a nice soup by cooking a couple of pork chop bones that I have in the freezer - having removed the meat a couple of weeks ago - and adding some chopped onion, carrots, potatoes, and a little garlic. With suitable seasoning.
 

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I would agree but how many actually question their doctor about their treatment?

No idea. I'd hope most people would but the reality seems to be that when dealing with something like buying a new DVD player people study options for hours but where health is concerned they just do whatever the doctor says.
 

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13 PROBLEMS WITH PORK

1) A pig is a real garbage gut. It will eat anything including urine, excrement, dirt, decaying animal flesh, maggots, or decaying vegetables. They will even eat the cancerous growths off other pigs or animals.

2) The meat and fat of a pig absorbs toxins like a sponge. Their meat can be 30 times more toxic than beef or venison.

3) When eating beef or venison, it takes 8 to 9 hours to digest the meat so what little toxins are in the meat are slowly put into our system and can be filtered by the liver. But when pork is eaten, it takes only 4 hours to digest the meat. We thus get a much higher level of toxins within a shorter time.

4) Unlike other mammals, a pig does not sweat or perspire. Perspiration is a means by which toxins are removed from the body. Since a pig does not sweat, the toxins remain within its body and in the meat.

5) Pigs and swine are so poisonous that you can hardly kill them with strychnine or other poisons.

6) Farmers will often pen up pigs within a rattlesnake nest because the pigs will eat the snakes, and if bitten they will not be harmed by the venom.

7) When a pig is butchered, worms and insects take to its flesh sooner and faster than to other animal's flesh. In a few days the swine flesh is full of worms.

Swine and pigs have over a dozen parasites within them, such as tapeworms, flukes, worms, and trichinae. There is no safe temperature at which pork can be cooked to ensure that all these parasites, their cysts, and eggs will be killed.

9) Pig meat has twice as much fat as beef. A 3 oz T bone steak contains 8.5 grams of fat; a 3 oz pork chop contains 18 grams of fat. A 3 oz beef rib has 11.1 grams of fat; a 3 oz pork spare rib has 23.2 grams of fat.

10) Cows have a complex digestive system, having four stomachs. It thus takes over 24 hours to digest their vegetarian diet causing its food to be purified of toxins. In contrast, the swine's one stomach takes only about 4 hours to digest its foul diet, turning its toxic food into flesh.

11) The swine carries about 30 diseases which can be easily passed to humans. This is why God commanded that we are not even to touch their carcase (Leviticus 11:8).

12) The trichinae worm of the swine is microscopically small, and once ingested can lodge itself in our intestines, muscles, spinal cord or the brain. This results in the disease trichinosis. The symptoms are sometimes lacking, but when present they are mistaken for other diseases, such as typhoid, arthritis, rheumatism, gastritis, MS, meningitis, gall bladder trouble, or acute alcoholism.

13) The pig is so poisonous and filthy, that nature had to prepare him a sewer line or canal running down each leg with an outlet in the bottom of the foot. Out of this hole oozes pus and filth his body cannot pass into its system fast enough. Some of this pus gets into the meat of the pig.
 

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some of that I didnt know, I just knew it was healthier to avoid it
 

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13 PROBLEMS WITH PORK

1) A pig is a real garbage gut. It will eat anything including urine, excrement, dirt, decaying animal flesh, maggots, or decaying vegetables. They will even eat the cancerous growths off other pigs or animals.

2) The meat and fat of a pig absorbs toxins like a sponge. Their meat can be 30 times more toxic than beef or venison.

3) When eating beef or venison, it takes 8 to 9 hours to digest the meat so what little toxins are in the meat are slowly put into our system and can be filtered by the liver. But when pork is eaten, it takes only 4 hours to digest the meat. We thus get a much higher level of toxins within a shorter time.

4) Unlike other mammals, a pig does not sweat or perspire. Perspiration is a means by which toxins are removed from the body. Since a pig does not sweat, the toxins remain within its body and in the meat.

5) Pigs and swine are so poisonous that you can hardly kill them with strychnine or other poisons.

6) Farmers will often pen up pigs within a rattlesnake nest because the pigs will eat the snakes, and if bitten they will not be harmed by the venom.

7) When a pig is butchered, worms and insects take to its flesh sooner and faster than to other animal's flesh. In a few days the swine flesh is full of worms.

Swine and pigs have over a dozen parasites within them, such as tapeworms, flukes, worms, and trichinae. There is no safe temperature at which pork can be cooked to ensure that all these parasites, their cysts, and eggs will be killed.

9) Pig meat has twice as much fat as beef. A 3 oz T bone steak contains 8.5 grams of fat; a 3 oz pork chop contains 18 grams of fat. A 3 oz beef rib has 11.1 grams of fat; a 3 oz pork spare rib has 23.2 grams of fat.

10) Cows have a complex digestive system, having four stomachs. It thus takes over 24 hours to digest their vegetarian diet causing its food to be purified of toxins. In contrast, the swine's one stomach takes only about 4 hours to digest its foul diet, turning its toxic food into flesh.

11) The swine carries about 30 diseases which can be easily passed to humans. This is why God commanded that we are not even to touch their carcase (Leviticus 11:8).

12) The trichinae worm of the swine is microscopically small, and once ingested can lodge itself in our intestines, muscles, spinal cord or the brain. This results in the disease trichinosis. The symptoms are sometimes lacking, but when present they are mistaken for other diseases, such as typhoid, arthritis, rheumatism, gastritis, MS, meningitis, gall bladder trouble, or acute alcoholism.

13) The pig is so poisonous and filthy, that nature had to prepare him a sewer line or canal running down each leg with an outlet in the bottom of the foot. Out of this hole oozes pus and filth his body cannot pass into its system fast enough. Some of this pus gets into the meat of the pig.

http://www.sabhlokcity.com/2015/07/...pork-but-kindly-dont-falsely-malign-pig-meat/

1.

EATING FARM GROWN PIGS IS PERFECTLY FINE

Farm fed pigs are provided healthy food. (When hungry, cattle also eat everything, so also chicken. As a rule, one should avoid animals raised in toxic dumps or human waste dumps.

2.

PIGS ARE MORE LIKE US THAN OTHER ANIMALS WE EAT

Pigs are like humans ("Pigs are very much like humans," says Stan Casteel, associate professor in the University of Missouri's College of Veterinary Medicine. He's talking physiology, not necessarily manners). Toxins can get into their blood just as they can get into our blood.

Because their absorption system is similar to ours, they can be used to detect which site is toxic. ("There are about 250 different species of lead," says Mark Doolan, a geologist in the EPA's Kansas City office, who is leading part of the cleanup program. The toxicity of the lead, it turns out, varies with its type, the kind of soil that it is found in, and other factors. "You could eat a pound of some of this stuff and it wouldn't absorb into your body at all," Doolan says. Other types could prove deadly, even in trace amounts. The key is to determine which types of lead, under which conditions, are most likely to be absorbed into the human blood stream. )

Pigs are fed hundreds of samples, and their blood tested. This would suggest that it is important to not eat pigs whose diet is not controlled. Having said that, the pigs eaten by tribals in Assam, for instance, are perfectly safe, since there are no toxins in that natural environment. So go out and eat pork that is well grown or grown in natural (not human) habitats.


3.

FALSE: NO ISSUES WITH DIGESTION OF PORK

The human digestive system is perfectly capable of dealing with all meats. Properly marinated and cooked pork has been tested and found to be perfectly healthy. In fact, I was reading the other day a report that suggests bacon provides particular health benefits to mothers. Of course, everything must be consumed in moderation.

4.

FALSE: NO ISSUES WITH TOXICITY

Neither cows nor pigs – not most mammals – have many sweat glands. Humans have a unique – and relatively recent – adaptation that makes us the only ape that can run a long distance marathon. But sweating is mainly for COOLING the body, not for elimination of toxins. Pigs do have perfectly fine kidneys and liver, to clear their body of toxins.

5.

FALSE: PIGS REQUIRE LESS STRYCHNINE TO KILL, THAN HUMANS

Strychnine is highly toxic to most domestic animals. Its oral LD50 in dogs, cattle, horses, and pigs is 0.5–1 mg/kg, and in cats is 2 mg/kg. (Humans require MORE Strychnine to be killed (1–2 mg/kg).

6. MAYBE, BUT THE COOKED PORK IS PERFECTLY FINE, EVEN THEN

Wild pigs are resilient to the venom of many snakes, including rattlesnakes and will harass and even kill and eat all sorts of venomous snakes. (e.g. seee this).

Why is this so? The domestic pig has been found to have convergently evolved amino acid replacements in their nicotinic acetylcholine receptor, which are known to confer resistance to alpha-neurotoxins in hedgehogs. Whether the pig may be considered so is still uncertain, though early studies show endogenous resistance in pigs tested against neurotoxins. Though it has been thought that the pig's subcutaneous layer of fat protects it against snake venom, most venoms pass easily through vascular fat layers, making this unlikely to contribute to its ability to resist venoms. [Source] So, it appears that along with certain animals, the pig might have some innate resistance to snake venom.


7. FALSE

Pork is often hung for days (just like beef) for tenderizing. With preservatives it lasts for years (salami). Leaving any meat in unsanitary conditions will make it harmful. DON'T keep it out for days without proper care.

8.

YES, BUT COOKED PORK IS PERFECTLY FINE, EVEN THEN

If you eat pigs that feed in the drain, AND don't cook it, you could get some diseases. But if you eat farm grown animals, and cook them above 75 -80ºC, you will be perfectly fine. I've not come across pork sushi (beef sushi does exist) but I'd avoid pork sushi.

9.

DON'T EAT THE FAT! EAT LEAN PORK

No one eats pork with all the fat that comes along with it. Lean pork is the way to go, and lean pork can have less fat than comparable meats (http://www.porkbeinspired.com/nutrition/compare-pork/ or http://www.thepigsite.com/recipes/nutrition.php)

10.

FALSE COMPARISON, POINTLESS

The reason why a cow needs 4 stomachs is because it eats cellulose which is like wood. Al toxins are cleared in the liver and kidneys. The also has one liver and set of kidneys.


11. ALWAYS COOK!

12. ALWAYS COOK!

13.

FALSE

As someone wrote somewhere: Dissect a pig fetus, look at a factual diagram of a pig's anatomy, or even study a live pig and you'd see how ridiculously wrong this is. Do Muslims not study anatomy?
 

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I wouldn't disagree with God who declared that this would be an abomination to eat.
 

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