How is one made fit for heaven after this life?

[MoreCoffee]

When a Christian dies what happens to their remaining faults of character and unrepented sins?
Are Christians upon death and "before" entering heaven:

1. Left as they were in life unchanged with whatever faults of character left as they were?
2. Instantaneously changed by some as yet unknown means?
3. Changed instantaneously with full knowledge of the changes yet without any feeling of discomfort?
4. Changed in some unknown way?
5. You don't know and don't care.
6. Other.

 

[visionary]

I couldn't find the answer I would have given... The character faults and unrepentant sins are the very things that will be up for the Lord to judge. One thing is clear, there will be none of that in heaven.

 

[psalms 91]

amen Vsionary, we are changed in some ways instantly but in others we have to grow into the change. Not everything is changed at the moment of salvation

 

[Alithis]

amen Vsionary, we are changed in some ways instantly but in others we have to grow into the change. Not everything is changed at the moment of salvation

according to the scriptures we are made a new creation in christ jesus when we are born again of water and of spirit.

thus we worship god IN spirit and in truth .

our outer person is not renewed but the inner man is made brand new and is become the righteousness of God in christ Jesus having the nature of christ jesus himself .

when a person is buried into his death by baptism the old man is lain down in death with christ ( thus sprinkling is not obedience but sin)
the mind is the deciding link between the inner man of the holy Spirit and the outer man of the flesh .. ,therefore the mind must be constantly renewed to accept and agree with the word of God and the flesh must be bought into subjection to the truth of what has happened to the inner new creation .
our flesh body NEVER gets to go to heaven -for as it is written , flesh and blood cannot enter the kingdom of heaven .
thus while we live this life and await the receiving of that new and incorruptible body we must live according to the inner nature of christ and not after the flesh .for what we do now,what we sow in this carnal flesh body .. we shall reap , god is not mocked . whether it be righteousness unto life or sin unto death .
what christ has accomplished in the spirit he has accomplished in full .we are not made partially a new creation but a whole and complete new creation in the spirit.
so now we must learn to live according to the nature of Chrsit within us and no longer after the nature of the flesh . those who continue unrepentantly in the nature of the flesh will perish WITH the flesh .

 

[Rens]

Sins are done away by the blood of Jesus and we're already seated in heaven. Our spirit is made new. I read from someone who went there that there was a preacher and a normal man ah dont know if that was from Sadhu Sundhar Singh, don't trust him, but that preacher was mad because he thought he was better and this guy almost never came to church because he had to work a lot, but he was closer to Jesus. Now that I write it I wonder if that's true.

 

[MoreCoffee]

I couldn't find the answer I would have given... The character faults and unrepentant sins are the very things that will be up for the Lord to judge. One thing is clear, there will be none of that in heaven.

amen Vsionary, we are changed in some ways instantly but in others we have to grow into the change. Not everything is changed at the moment of salvation

The poll is about the change that happens at of immediately following the moment of physical death.

 

[visionary]

The poll is about the change that happens at of immediately following the moment of physical death.

There is no change immediately at the moment of death. Lazarus come forth.

 

[MoreCoffee]

There is no change immediately at the moment of death. Lazarus come forth.

Then you ought to vote for Left as they were in life unchanged with whatever faults of character left as they were?

 

[visionary]

Then you ought to vote for Left as they were in life unchanged with whatever faults of character left as they were?

But those do not necessarily enter heaven.

 

[MoreCoffee]

When a Christian dies what happens to their remaining faults of character and unrepented sins?
Are Christians upon death and "before" entering heaven:

1. Left as they were in life unchanged with whatever faults of character left as they were?
2. Instantaneously changed by some as yet unknown means?
3. Changed instantaneously with full knowledge of the changes yet without any feeling of discomfort?
4. Changed in some unknown way?
5. You don't know and don't care.
6. Other.

But those do not necessarily enter heaven.

Look at who the first post describes. When a Christian dies ...

 

[Alithis]

There is no change immediately at the moment of death. Lazarus come forth.

hmm we must reason this out .. that was before the final and perfect sacrifice for sin was made

 

[Alithis]

i voted other by the way

 

[Rens]

I saw that testimony of Ian McCormack, an atheist who slept around. He prayed the our Father in the ambulance, asked God to forgive him and forgave those who sinned against him. He saw Jesus in radiant Light and felt that His Light came to him, and all his sins were forgiven.

 

[Alithis]

I saw that testimony of Ian McCormack, an atheist who slept around. He prayed the our Father in the ambulance, asked God to forgive him and forgave those who sinned against him. He saw Jesus in radiant Light and felt that His Light came to him, and all his sins were forgiven.

he is still
around old ian.. he was a paster years ago where i attended .. he is at kingswaychurch in england now i think.. if you have any questions you can probably email him..

 

[visionary]

Look at who the first post describes. When a Christian dies ...

And Lord said "I never knew you"...

 

[visionary]

i voted other by the way

I will too.

 

[MoreCoffee]

I will too.

What exactly does your "other" mean with reference to the thread's question? When a Christian dies what happens to their remaining faults of character and unrepented sins?

 

[visionary]

When a believer dies, they will be awaken at the resurrection of the dead, at the end of days and will come forth..

John 5:29 and come out--those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned.

 

[Josiah]

My thoughts.....


1. One of my issues with the modern RC Denomination is its egotistical embrace of its own, individual theories, its love affair with the brain of it itself - even making them divisive, manditory DOGMAS. In the words of my Greek Orthodox friend, "The Roman Church simply cannot shut up but insists that its own self knows more than God does." "The Roman Church has lost all sense of humility and mystery."


2. IMO, it IS possible that in less than a microsecond, upon our welcoming into heaven, GOD "makes" us perfect - so as be able to be in heaven. (Indeed, it's POSSIBLE many changes are made by God to us - after all, we are physical beings uniquely suited for life on the planet Earth). The Orthodox Church unofficially, non-dogmatically tends to beleive such happens. However, admitting this POSSIBILITY is a far, far, far cry from ANY dogma - much less the unique, new, individual Dogma of the singular RC Denomination of Purgatory. And a far, far, far cry from soteriology that insists that Christianity is wrong and we don't need a Savior (nor do we have one) but rather that Bhakti Hinduism is right on this point and what we need is for the divine to just give us sufficient TIME and HELP until we become such that we don't need no Savior, no Cross, no Blood, no Lamb, no mercy, no salvation - just a little help from a Friend until we clean up our own act and thus DESERVE heaven by what WE'VE accomplished (Bhakti Hinduism STRESSES only by the empowering of the divine - but still OUR doing).



Pax Soli Christi



- Josiah