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Have you ever wondered what the translators were thinking of when they made their decision to choose certain words, to omit others, and add in other words which were not in the original texts?
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That is a sin to think that, everything that's in the Bible is the direct Word of God, although there's tons of evidence that things were added or left out or changed. Bleh. I'm gonna find a new hobby instead of posting.
 

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That is a sin to think that, everything that's in the Bible is the direct Word of God, although there's tons of evidence that things were added or left out or changed. Bleh. I'm gonna find a new hobby instead of posting.
Interesting concept... Do you think that the devil could not mess with God's word?
While I know when God lifts the words up from scripture and applies it to my heart, I also know that not everything in scripture is perfect.
 

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Interesting concept... Do you think that the devil could not mess with God's word?
While I know when God lifts the words up from scripture and applies it to my heart, I also know that not everything in scripture is perfect.

you mean perhaps ... not everything is transliterated into english with perfection ?
 

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I mena that Imtrust God to give us the true meaning if it is in error but I dont like to think thatt Gods word has error, just lack of understanding
 

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Have you ever wondered what the translators were thinking of when they made their decision to choose certain words, to omit others, and add in other words which were not in the original texts?
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Why did Jesus come to earth?
To go to another village.
Oh my goodness, this translation is absolutely horrible LOL.
 

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Why did Jesus come to earth?
To go to another village.
Oh my goodness, this translation is absolutely horrible LOL.
Why I stick with King James
 

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you mean perhaps ... not everything is transliterated into english with perfection ?

You sound shocked that it could be possible that men could be motivated by political, religious reason for choosing the words they did.
 

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Have you ever wondered what the translators were thinking of when they made their decision to choose certain words, to omit others, and add in other words which were not in the original texts?
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The idea that they are missing rather than that the ones in the KJV are added comes from assuming that the KJV represents the pinnacle of biblical scholarship but it doesn't.

NJB says Matthew 18:11 [For the Son of man has come to save what was lost.]
 

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I wonder who is confusing what with so many translations out and so many words changed or not put in at all
 

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The idea that they are missing rather than that the ones in the KJV are added comes from assuming that the KJV represents the pinnacle of biblical scholarship but it doesn't.

NJB says Matthew 18:11 [For the Son of man has come to save what was lost.]
So NJB and KJV are similar.
 

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The idea that they are missing rather than that the ones in the KJV are added comes from assuming that the KJV represents the pinnacle of biblical scholarship but it doesn't.

NJB says Matthew 18:11 [For the Son of man has come to save what was lost.]

Oh never known that. Interesting.

https://dankopp.wordpress.com/2012/11/29/why-matthew-1811-doesnt-exist-in-your-bible/

Still I like the one with the added verse, because that's how I learned them. Doesn't matter if someone added it. It's a nice text and true.
 

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You sound shocked that it could be possible that men could be motivated by political, religious reason for choosing the words they did.
Lol not at all.. What i meant was how you worded it sugesrd that the written word was erroneous..and i was asking if you meant that "the transliteration" was erroneous ,rather then Gods word. And youd be right. But praise God we have the Holy Spirit who leads us into all truth .:)

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It is far more concerning when text is still there but reworded in english in such a manner that it brings the soveriegnty and lord ship of God into question. But there is an even greater concern.. Those that constantly read the script yet never change nor go and Do what it tells us to do.. They may as well go read a news paper...

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How about removing the "blood" from all the texts?

Colossians 1:14:

In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins.
Colossians 1:14 – KJV in whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins.

Colossians 1:14 – NIV in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.

Even after seeing this, some may say that for the translators to have taken away anything at all, even just from one place, makes them untrustworthy. I say that it is better to have many version to compare, than one which can give you a watered down position.
 

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How about removing the "blood" from all the texts?

Colossians 1:14:

In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins.
Colossians 1:14 – KJV in whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins.

Colossians 1:14 – NIV in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.

Even after seeing this, some may say that for the translators to have taken away anything at all, even just from one place, makes them untrustworthy. I say that it is better to have many version to compare, than one which can give you a watered down position.

Yes that's the main reason I don't read NIV. That's not a minor thing. Still some horrible translations are handy if you have no idea what the text even means. Had that with some Dutch texts. The language was accurate, but so old, I had no idea what it meant.
 

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Yes that's the main reason I don't read NIV. That's not a minor thing. Still some horrible translations are handy if you have no idea what the text even means. Had that with some Dutch texts. The language was accurate, but so old, I had no idea what it meant.
No blood no sacrifice
 

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Yes that's the main reason I don't read NIV. That's not a minor thing. Still some horrible translations are handy if you have no idea what the text even means. Had that with some Dutch texts. The language was accurate, but so old, I had no idea what it meant.
Funny how we percieve things from our first language ../there i thought it was only the older kingjames english that had that problem of being difficult to understand by younger generations.

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No blood no sacrifice
Wow..yeah ..thats serious.
Some would argue its still through Him that we have redemption so it doesn't matter..but without his blood shed ..there is no redemption..

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