It's all a pretence ... No one keeps the feasts of Jehovah today.

[visionary]

For God so loved the world.... is about God's love not about any earthly kingdom.

well, then how could he be talking about us then?

 

[MoreCoffee]

well, then how could he be talking about us then?

What do you mean?

The passage is not too hard to follow. It says:

Jesus replied, 'You are the Teacher of Israel, and you do not know these things!

'In all truth I tell you, we speak only about what we know and witness only to what we have seen and yet you people reject our evidence. If you do not believe me when I speak to you about earthly things, how will you believe me when I speak to you about heavenly things? No one has gone up to heaven except the one who came down from heaven, the Son of man; as Moses lifted up the snake in the desert, so must the Son of man be lifted up so that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him. For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life. For God sent his Son into the world not to judge the world, but so that through him the world might be saved. No one who believes in him will be judged; but whoever does not believe is judged already, because that person does not believe in the Name of God's only Son. And the judgement is this: though the light has come into the world people have preferred darkness to the light because their deeds were evil. And indeed, everybody who does wrong hates the light and avoids it, to prevent his actions from being shown up; but whoever does the truth comes out into the light, so that what he is doing may plainly appear as done in God.' (John 3:10-21)​

It's about salvation and God's love, right?

 

[visionary]

What do you mean?

The passage is not too hard to follow. It says:

Jesus replied, 'You are the Teacher of Israel, and you do not know these things!

'In all truth I tell you, we speak only about what we know and witness only to what we have seen and yet you people reject our evidence. If you do not believe me when I speak to you about earthly things, how will you believe me when I speak to you about heavenly things? No one has gone up to heaven except the one who came down from heaven, the Son of man; as Moses lifted up the snake in the desert, so must the Son of man be lifted up so that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him. For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life. For God sent his Son into the world not to judge the world, but so that through him the world might be saved. No one who believes in him will be judged; but whoever does not believe is judged already, because that person does not believe in the Name of God's only Son. And the judgement is this: though the light has come into the world people have preferred darkness to the light because their deeds were evil. And indeed, everybody who does wrong hates the light and avoids it, to prevent his actions from being shown up; but whoever does the truth comes out into the light, so that what he is doing may plainly appear as done in God.' (John 3:10-21)​

It's about salvation and God's love, right?

This world is His. This world He loves. He loves us all. So how do you get that God does not talk about this earthly kingdom which He plans on winning back.

 

[MoreCoffee]

This world is His. This world He loves. He loves us all. So how do you get that God does not talk about this earthly kingdom which He plans on winning back.

winning back from whom?

 

[visionary]

winning back from whom?

Satan took Yeshua to the pinnacle and showed Him all the kingdoms under his power and said, if you worship me, I will give you these kingdoms.

 

[psalms 91]

yes, satan has power over the earth till he is taken out

 

[pinacled]

It's all a pretence when folk claim to be keeping the feasts commanded by Jehovah through Moses. It's all fake. Take a look at what is commanded for observing the feasts.

Passover:

Now Jehovah spoke to Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt, saying, "This month shall be your beginning of months; it shall be the first month of the year to you. Speak to all the congregation of Israel, saying: 'On the tenth day of this month every man shall take for himself a lamb, according to the house of his father, a lamb for a household. And if the household is too small for the lamb, let him and his neighbour next to his house take it according to the number of the persons; according to each man's need you shall make your count for the lamb. Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year. You may take it from the sheep or from the goats. Now you shall keep it until the fourteenth day of the same month. Then the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it at twilight.'" (Exodus 12:1-6)​

No one does this. No one takes a lamb and kills it. It's just a pretence when people say that they keep this feast according to the commandments.
First Fruits:

And Jehovah said to Moses, "Say to the people of Israel, When you come into the land which I give you and reap its harvest, you shall bring the sheaf of the first fruits of your harvest to the priest; and he shall wave the sheaf before Jehovah, that you may find acceptance; on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it. And on the day when you wave the sheaf, you shall offer a male lamb a year old without blemish as a burnt offering to Jehovah. (Leviticus 23:9-12)​

No one does this. No one seeks out a priest of the tribe of Levi and the house of Aaron to wave the first fruits of their farm's harvest before Jehovah in his tabernacle. No one sacrifices a lamb. It's all a fake when people claim to be keeping this feast.
Pentecost:

"And you shall count from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that you brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven full weeks shall they be, counting fifty days to the morrow after the seventh sabbath; then you shall present a cereal offering of new grain to Jehovah. You shall bring from your dwellings two loaves of bread to be waved, made of two tenths of an ephah; they shall be of fine flour, they shall be baked with leaven, as first fruits to Jehovah. And you shall present with the bread seven lambs a year old without blemish, and one young bull, and two rams; they shall be a burnt offering to the LORD, with their cereal offering and their drink offerings, an offering by fire, a pleasing odour to Jehovah. And you shall offer one male goat for a sin offering, and two male lambs a year old as a sacrifice of peace offerings. And the priest shall wave them with the bread of the first fruits as a wave offering before Jehovah, with the two lambs; they shall be holy to Jehovah for the priest. And you shall make proclamation on the same day; you shall hold a holy convocation; you shall do no laborious work: it is a statute for ever in all your dwellings throughout your generations. "And when you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not reap your field to its very border, nor shall you gather the gleanings after your harvest; you shall leave them for the poor and for the stranger: I am Jehovah your God." (Leviticus 23:15-22)​

No one does this. No one sacrifices the seven lambs, one bull, two rams, a male goat and offers them to Jehovah. It's all fake when people say that they keep the feast of Pentecost. It's all a pretence.
Trumpets:

"On the first day of the seventh month you shall have a holy convocation; you shall do no laborious work. It is a day for you to blow the trumpets, and you shall offer a burnt offering, a pleasing odour to Jehovah: one young bull, one ram, seven male lambs a year old without blemish; also their cereal offering of fine flour mixed with oil, three tenths of an ephah for the bull, two tenths for the ram, and one tenth for each of the seven lambs; with one male goat for a sin offering, to make atonement for you; besides the burnt offering of the new moon, and its cereal offering, and the continual burnt offering and its cereal offering, and their drink offering, according to the ordinance for them, a pleasing odour, an offering by fire to Jehovah. (Numbers 29:1-6)​

No one does this. No one sacrifices the one bull, one ram, seven male lambs, and a male goat and offers them to Jehovah. It's all fake when people say that they keep the feast of Trumpets. It's all a pretence. Sheer mummery. Flim flam. Smoke and mirrors.

The same is true of the day of atonement and the feast of tabernacles. No one keeps them. No one makes the offerings required. No one enlists a priest from the tribe of Levi and the family of Aaron to make the offerings. It is all pretend. A sham. none of it is according to the commands of Jehovah none of it accords with the feasts as commanded by Jehovah. It is fake. It is false. It is a deception.

Keep them how? Like a Treasure.
Sacrifice.
Temptations and Trespasses
…8If your hand or your foot causes you to fall into sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life crippled or lame than to have two hands and two feet and be thrown into the eternal fire. 9And if your eye causes you to fall into sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell. 10See that you do not look down on any of these little ones. For I tell you that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father in heaven.…

 

[MoreCoffee]

What do you make of the passage that says: And I heard what seemed to be the voices of a huge crowd, like the sound of the ocean or the great roar of thunder, answering, 'Alleluia! The reign of the Lord our God Almighty has begun; let us be glad and joyful and give glory to God, because this is the time for the marriage of the Lamb. His bride is ready, and she has been able to dress herself in dazzling white linen, because her linen is made of the good deeds of the saints.' The angel said, 'Write this, "Blessed are those who are invited to the wedding feast of the Lamb," ' and he added, 'These words of God are true.' Then I knelt at his feet to worship him, but he said to me, 'Never do that: I am your fellow-servant and the fellow-servant of all your brothers who have in themselves the witness of Jesus. God alone you must worship.' The witness of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. (Revelation 19:6-10)

Do you truly believe that Satan reigns over all the Earth today?

By the way, how are people going to keep a Passover feast as it is defined in the holy scriptures when they are in the millennium - will people kill lambs and eat them in the millennium?

 

[visionary]

What do you make of the passage that says: And I heard what seemed to be the voices of a huge crowd, like the sound of the ocean or the great roar of thunder, answering, 'Alleluia! The reign of the Lord our God Almighty has begun; let us be glad and joyful and give glory to God, because this is the time for the marriage of the Lamb. His bride is ready, and she has been able to dress herself in dazzling white linen, because her linen is made of the good deeds of the saints.' The angel said, 'Write this, "Blessed are those who are invited to the wedding feast of the Lamb," ' and he added, 'These words of God are true.' Then I knelt at his feet to worship him, but he said to me, 'Never do that: I am your fellow-servant and the fellow-servant of all your brothers who have in themselves the witness of Jesus. God alone you must worship.' The witness of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. (Revelation 19:6-10)

Do you truly believe that Satan reigns over all the Earth today?

By the way, how are people going to keep a Passover feast as it is defined in the holy scriptures when they are in the millennium - will people kill lambs and eat them in the millennium?

How many are going to ignore what Yeshua has done as our Passover sacrifice and institute that part which He fulfilled? In a memorial, Yeshua said "do this in remembrance of me".. which believers will do.

 

[MoreCoffee]

What do you make of the passage that says: And I heard what seemed to be the voices of a huge crowd, like the sound of the ocean or the great roar of thunder, answering, 'Alleluia! The reign of the Lord our God Almighty has begun; let us be glad and joyful and give glory to God, because this is the time for the marriage of the Lamb. His bride is ready, and she has been able to dress herself in dazzling white linen, because her linen is made of the good deeds of the saints.' The angel said, 'Write this, "Blessed are those who are invited to the wedding feast of the Lamb," ' and he added, 'These words of God are true.' Then I knelt at his feet to worship him, but he said to me, 'Never do that: I am your fellow-servant and the fellow-servant of all your brothers who have in themselves the witness of Jesus. God alone you must worship.' The witness of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. (Revelation 19:6-10)

Do you truly believe that Satan reigns over all the Earth today?

By the way, how are people going to keep a Passover feast as it is defined in the holy scriptures when they are in the millennium - will people kill lambs and eat them in the millennium?

How many are going to ignore what Yeshua has done as our Passover sacrifice and institute that part which He fulfilled? In a memorial, Yeshua said "do this in remembrance of me".. which believers will do.

Are you planning to answer any of the questions in my post?

 

[visionary]

Regarding Satan's reign

Satan dominates the world’s political, religious, social, economic, and educational systems Gal 1:4 “this present evil world”
Satan is called 2 Cor 4:4 “the god [or ruler] of this world”
The Bible says in 1 John 5:19, “And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.”
Ephesians 2:2 speaks of the evil “course of this world.”

Matthew 4:8-9: “Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.”

Luke 4:5-7 “ And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it. If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.”

Did you notice how Satan offered to give the world’s kingdoms to Yeshua? Our Jewish Messiah, Yeshua, knowing full well that Satan had dominion over the Earth, never argued with him. He knew that Satan was controlling this world system, and that the only way to restore the world system to God was, not to bow down to and worship Satan, but to die for man’s sins. Our Jewish Messiah, King of Kings, Yeshua’s kingdom would not and will not originate from the evil world system that is presently operating on Earth and in the heavens.

What isn't Yeshua's now, will be.. that is why the need for reconciliation.

Colossians 1:16-20 “ For by him [Yeshua, Our Jewish Messiah] were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.”

 

[psalms 91]

Yes, satan has power today but not forever

 

[MoreCoffee]

Given all this talk about Satan ruling this world and rabbinic Judaism being a non-christian religion and all the folk who want to keep the old covenant feasts as some kind of religious observance based on the times and seasons and new moons determined by the rabbis today ought a careful reader to conclude that all the feast day observance is derived from religious groups under Satan's rule? Or are the folk who want to follow the lead of rabbinic Judaism in keeping the feasts without priests to sacrifice and without a temple in which to sacrifice and without any sacrifices going to claim that modern day Judaism is true and godly and good?

 

[visionary]

Given all this talk about Satan ruling this world and rabbinic Judaism being a non-christian religion and all the folk who want to keep the old covenant feasts as some kind of religious observance based on the times and seasons and new moons determined by the rabbis today ought a careful reader to conclude that all the feast day observance is derived from religious groups under Satan's rule? Or are the folk who want to follow the lead of rabbinic Judaism in keeping the feasts without priests to sacrifice and without a temple in which to sacrifice and without any sacrifices going to claim that modern day Judaism is true and godly and good?

Let's take a look in the Vatican catacombs and see what services are being held there.

 

[Rens]

How many are going to ignore what Yeshua has done as our Passover sacrifice and institute that part which He fulfilled? In a memorial, Yeshua said "do this in remembrance of me".. which believers will do.

Ehmm that was the whine and the bread, not Passover. Thank goodness. Good news for the vegetarians. For some it would be a real stumbling block if they had to eat meat if they accepted Christ.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Given all this talk about Satan ruling this world and rabbinic Judaism being a non-christian religion and all the folk who want to keep the old covenant feasts as some kind of religious observance based on the times and seasons and new moons determined by the rabbis today ought a careful reader to conclude that all the feast day observance is derived from religious groups under Satan's rule? Or are the folk who want to follow the lead of rabbinic Judaism in keeping the feasts without priests to sacrifice and without a temple in which to sacrifice and without any sacrifices going to claim that modern day Judaism is true and godly and good?

Let's take a look in the Vatican catacombs and see what services are being held there.

Now that's one huge change of subject isn't it - from Judaism being approved by God to something about the Catacombs. How about answering the question that I asked in the post to which you replied?

 

[psalms 91]

Ehmm that was the whine and the bread, not Passover. Thank goodness. Good news for the vegetarians. For some it would be a real stumbling block if they had to eat meat if they accepted Christ.

You do realize that they also had a meal and that it was the eve of the beginning of passover

 

[visionary]

Ehmm that was the whine and the bread, not Passover. Thank goodness. Good news for the vegetarians. For some it would be a real stumbling block if they had to eat meat if they accepted Christ.

You don't have to eat meat.. bread and wine are the requirements... just don't drink too much wine..

 

[visionary]

Now that's one huge change of subject isn't it - from Judaism being approved by God to something about the Catacombs. How about answering the question that I asked in the post to which you replied?

One.... linking Judaism [those who know not Yeshua] with Satan ... is not correct. So how can I answer an inappropriate question, that is very anti-semantic. I called the kettle black.

 

[visionary]

Now that's one huge change of subject isn't it - from Judaism being approved by God to something about the Catacombs. How about answering the question that I asked in the post to which you replied?

One.... linking Judaism [those who know not Yeshua] with Satan ... is not correct. So how can I answer an inappropriate question, that is very anti-semantic. I called the kettle black.


Remember Yeshua said. John 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

Yeshua identified Himself with the Jewish faith, stating "WE know what WE worship"...